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    Default Quota for Women in Government

    Do you think that would be a good idea? To make it a law that seats be reserved for women.

    When I first heard of this method, I was dead set against it. But the more I think about it, the more I think it might not be such a bad, crazy idea.

    Yes, yes, what's wrong with women that we can't get ourselves voted?
    But, it'd be this sweeping, radical change and it'd happen basically overnight. There would be problems, of course, but wouldn't it be better to radically change the 'stereotypes' and the system rather than wait a couple more decades for the old, white men dominated government to be slightly different.

    When this came up in class, I said that why is gender the most prominent issue when it comes to government representation? What about religion? I am so sick of public officials mentioning God in their public speeches. I am so sick of policies being determined/influenced by God. What about race? What if Asians want .5 representation? Yes, gender is 50/50 but does that necessarily mean it should be the only factor in representation? I don't see myself primarily as a woman, I see myself as a Democrat, as an atheist, as Asian...what does being a woman really matter in politics?

    Recently, India is pushing for 1/3 of government seats for women - their women are very behind in almost every sector. And their minorities are outraged.

    My professor said the Nordic countries have the highest rate of women in office and that is because they have a quota. I could be wrong. Rwanda has a quota and is up there on the list.

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    I think a quota is a GREAT idea... you know, to establish a legal upper limit and all. I am surprised, however, that you would have suggested this.

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    why is that?

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    We don't need the quota, just elect Democrats. They're more representative of the whole populous are far as gender and ethnicity goes.

    America is too conservative for equal representation quotas to pass. So don't vote for the old white guy party if you want the balance restruck.

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    Lately I've been thinking it would be better if all politicians and possibly some of the presently unelected executive posts where determined by anonymous lottery.

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    I am against the quotas. Probably as time goes on, there will be a higher representation of women in politics as a natural course. I don't think we should have mandated numbers of representation because it detracts from more important issues, and as of now, will probably result making a lot of people angry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Take Five View Post
    I am against the quotas. Probably as time goes on, there will be a higher representation of women in politics as a natural course. I don't think we should have mandated numbers of representation because it detracts from more important issues, and as of now, will probably result making a lot of people angry.
    Yeah, its likely to be antithetical to the goal of either greater equality between men and women or the goal of womens representation (which ever is motivating it), it'll create resistance out of apathy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebe View Post
    Do you think that would be a good idea? To make it a law that seats be reserved for women.

    When I first heard of this method, I was dead set against it. But the more I think about it, the more I think it might not be such a bad, crazy idea.
    I don't think quotas for elected officials is a good idea, because it is inherently undemocratic. In a democracy people should be able to choose their representatives instead of being told they can or can't vote for someone based on gender.

    If there really is an issue with there not being enough elected women then the best course of action is to ask "why"? But keep in mind that the majority of voters are women. Why is it that all of these female voters don't elect more women?
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    Resistance from who? Just wondering.

    Men?
    Women who believe they can do it with votes/out of pride/out of...?

    I am against the quotas. Probably as time goes on, there will be a higher representation of women in politics as a natural course. I don't think we should have mandated numbers of representation because it detracts from more important issues
    Eh...natural course...damn, aren't we about MAKING CHANGES even if it is by force if we believe that it will, in time, be a better and more efficient method than waiting around for men to give up their centuries worth of empowerment to make room for women. What do they call it...not affirmative action...uhm...something, there's a word for this...

    The important issues are all related to representation and who's making the decisions as to how this country should run so this should also be a dominant issue. I am not sold on it, the quota...it's interesting though how I went from a firm no to hmmm, perhaps.

    I don't think quotas for elected officials is a good idea, because it is inherently undemocratic. In a democracy people should be able to choose their representatives instead of being told they can or can't vote for someone based on gender.

    If there really is an issue with there not being enough elected women then the best course of action is to ask "why"? But keep in mind that the majority of voters are women. Why is it that all of these female voters don't elect more women?
    Good point.

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    I'm against it. The right man or woman for the place that they have worked for.
    Nobody should go before anyone just because of what they have between their legs.

    Start up programs to engage women politically instead.
    Budding female politicians also need to know that male oratory skills aren't as useful when it comes to them. Things need to be approached differently.
    Now i'm mostly talking about tone of voice and such.
    It is a huge benefit to have a strong Obama voice, women don't sound as forceful.
    When they try, it's a bit ridiculous. That's why girlfriends are cute when they're angry, you know.
    Cute don't get elected, usually. Maybe in Japan, I don't know.

    I have seen female speakers perform really, really well though.
    We've got one in our Swedish government right now. Maria Wetterstrand.
    She's absolutely brilliant. Too bad none of you can understand what she says.
    It's more... Warm. Sort of passionate, without being an emotional outburst.
    I'm not trying to be an ass, it's just that I had some thoughts as to why women have a hard time being popular in politics.
    Note that these are not my personal ideas about why one should elect someone.
    I go more on what the politician says, not how.

    Speaking is sort of what gets them elected, you know.
    Thus, at least part of the problem lies in that a lot of voters don't have the same confidence in the way things are brought up.
    And yes, people in general are in fact so wildly unknowing that *how* they say things is most important.

    At least in Sweden, many female politicians seem to place the whole sex thing on the top of the list.
    To be frank, actually bitching about it constantly does not help the cause at all.
    It makes people tired of it, so much that they close their ears off as soon as the tidal wave of it starts.
    Also a major reason at least most men won't go near voting on a female politician.
    The whole "witch hunt" on men is starting to become old over here really fast.
    Not me, again, public opinion.

    Hillary Clinton did a really good job not going on about that all too much.
    More focusing upon the rights of all, economics and healthcare.
    The only reason she didn't win was because Obama is the best player out there.
    She might even have won against McCain, him being... Not very sympathetic and there being a wee bit of social reform going on.


    But... Having a certain quota of anything is generally a bad idea.
    Most will look with scorn upon anyone who fills one of those slots.
    Even if not openly.


    I just want to point out that I am no adversary to equality.
    The same standards shall apply for everyone, though. The right person in the right place.
    As deserved by effort, votes, bloodshed etc. Whatever puts said person in place.

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