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    well, they have several channels on network tv devoted to them here... I think that those channels could be much better used for something entertaining!
    For every Evangelical channel, theres porbably 1000 or more porn channels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    For every Evangelical channel, theres porbably 1000 or more porn channels.
    but they're not available without cable or satellite!
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin-1/2-nuclei View Post
    I wonder what would happen to me if I walked into a church with a T-shirt saying I'm pro-choice, my best friend is gay, and I support stem cell research...
    They would think you're an ass, pray for your soul, and depending on the church they will either ask you to leave or pray to their Lord for the strength to turn the other cheek and then grit it out a la Ned Flanders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    but they're not available without cable or satellite!
    Thank GOD for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Fundamentalist believe in the literal interpretation of their religious texts. Most self-identified "fundamentalist" Christian sects hold beliefs that are compatible with liberal democracy, such as the fact that you don't make secular laws against things like blasphemy and apostasy.

    Most fundamentalist Christians I've met are a lot more reasonable than you appear to be.
    Maybe that's because none of them beat anybody you knew to within inches of their life, the "fundamentalists" I had the misfortune of meeting at their criminal trial had done just that. Most muslim "fundamentalists" I've met - by the way - are far more reasonable than you make them out to be. Me being a woman and not covering my hair and doing other things that should be reserved for men... I wasn't beaten, attacked, insulted anything....

    So, like I said in my opinion christian is not synonymous with fundamentalist christian and I define a fundamentalist christian as someone who cannot stop themselves from harming other people for the sake of their god, as if god needed any help. Not all fundamentalist muslims are radicle so if you choose to call them by that word then I will call christians that behave in the same way by that word...

    otherwise you can simply insert radical-fundamentalist-muslims wherever you've said fundamentalist muslim and I will insert radical-fundamentalist-christian wherever I have said fundamentalist christian and the same criticisms apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    2.) Christians believe taking the Lord's name in vain to be an actual sin, that would be considered a much more apt comparison by reasonable people.
    No it wouldn't. The vast majority of Western modern-day Christians, including the violent ones, don't care about things like that (ridicule, defamation) as much as much as they care about other 'sins'. They care most about the things that happen to be stressed by the influential preachers and teachers of the day - regardless of the Bible's own emphasis - which happen to be abortion and sexual practices currently (witchcraft used to be up there with the big boys too, and still is in parts of Africa). The things that Muslims care the most about are different because the things their teachers and preachers stress are different. Surely it doesn't matter which religious offences cause the violence and violent threats; violence and threats are violence and threats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin-1/2-nuclei View Post
    I wonder what would happen to me if I walked into a church with a T-shirt saying I'm pro-choice, my best friend is gay, and I support stem cell research...
    Hey, why dont you try that out and tell us what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spin-1/2-nuclei View Post
    What? Are you kidding me? So nobody ever tried to sensor a biology textbook or place the 10 commandments in the state capital or push gay politicians out of government and the list goes on?
    None of those things are incompatible with the essential institutions that make liberal democracy function, and are rather along the lines of secular left-wingers and animal-rights activist banning fox-hunting in the United Kingdom. You are allowing your resentments (which seem somewhat excessive for a healthy mental state) to cloud your judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    They would think you're an ass, pray for your soul, and depending on the church they will either ask you to leave or pray to their Lord for the strength to turn the other cheek and grit a la Ned Flanders and then grit it out.
    no apparently just being gay and walking with someone gets you beaten to within inches of your life in this country depending on who you come across. so I'm not sure where you get the idea that fundamentalist christians are not capable of violence or terror but you're obviously not living in reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    None of those things are incompatible with the essential institutions that make liberal democracy function, and are rather along the lines of secular left-wingers and animal-rights activist banning fox-hunting in the United Kingdom. You are allowing your resentments (which seem somewhat excessive for a healthy mental state) to cloud your judgment.
    but I'm not christian so why should I have to learn or teach creationism in my biology class? If a pharmacist can object to dispensing birth control or the morning after pill for religious beliefs then why can't a school teacher or textbook author or entire field of science reject the inclusion of creationism in their teachings as a result of not having those same religious beliefs. I don't think I'm the one suffering from mental illness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    The things that Muslims care the most about are different because the things their teachers and preachers stress are different. Surely it doesn't matter which religious offences cause the violence and violent threats; violence and threats are violence and threats.
    Meditate upon this insight and apply it to understanding what I've already posted.

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