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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And almost all teenage pregnancies are cause by adolescents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Sure, the human brain is fully grown about the age of 22. So the age of majority should be 22.

    Most adolescents think they know everything when it is obvious they don't. And most motor vehicle accidents are caused by adolescents. And most binge drinking and drug taking is done by adolescents. And almost all teenage pregnancies are cause by adolescents. And most assaults are caused by adolescents.

    And most adolescents are dependent financially and emotionally on their parents. So the age of majority should be raised from 18 to 22.
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    I think a 16 year old or more person can possibly be responsible of himself, fo course. And the idea that a guy would be forced to stay with his parents until 22 is irrelevant. But the righting vote is a different question. It's unrealistic to believe that a person, even an adult, can go on an urn and do a choice involving the fate of an entire country.

    A person can live on his own on a very young age but the black guy in the White House have to much responsabilities on his shoulder even if he was extremely wise and old. Most motor vehicle accidents are caused by adolescents, yes, but most war are declared by adult and economics crisis provoked by adult, and that is more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    People are usually fully physically mature at 18.
    I'm thinking it's largely based upon physical maturity.
    Yes, because at 18 you're physically mature and in your prime to fight and die for your country. And, if they can make you fight and die for your country like an adult, it doesn't seem right to withhold the rights of an adult from you.
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    True, if a 17 years old man can be considered enough old to be shot during a war, he can be considered as enough old to live on his own.
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    From what I read, the adult age border changed over the time in history pretty much. Here in Germany, from what I read in wikipedia, it was in some regions in Germany before 1876 25 years. With 1876 it was changed to 21 years, and 1975 in BRD it was changed to 18 (in DDR 1950).

    You can see in the fact that a difference of adult age border of 7 years developed in "only" 135 years, that such regulations must have been made rather freely by the responsible(s).

    I think there is no real answer to that question. There is both reasons to make the adult age lower or higher. Higher age would maybe mean lower risk to neglect responsibility. On the other hand, a personality has to grow with its responsibilities. You cannot get responsible without ever having had any responsibility I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Of course you were a fast developer. Some may say precocious. But others would say plainly gifted, just as you are a gift to us.
    LOL. Oh, no, I was very much a late bloomer. I just knew what I wanted in life and didn't know what I was getting into. Not that it would have been a lot easier when I was older. Plus, it wasn't that unusual in the early nineties like it is now.
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    The better question, is why don't the ages of maturity all align?

    I can go drinking at 19, driving at 16, voting at 18, and have sex at 16.

    Really.

    Sooooo... why is there a difference between these in the first place anyway?

    Why do some places require 21 to drink or even look at porn, while others are alright with it at 14?

    The answer, is all encompassing here... the people who try to regulate these things are going by their own personal values and preferences. Whot THEY feel is the 'correct age'.

    Yeu don't "magically" turn more mature 1 day later... at least not on a set schedule yeu don't. There may be something major that happens in yeur life, or an epiphany one day that suddenly stuff just 'clicks' for yeu, but it's pretty rare that ever just happens to land on ones' birthday, and even moreso on the one that's set for people.

    I've known quite a few people who were well trained in driving by the time they were 10-12, for out in the countryside it's legal to drive on yeur own property... give them an old beat up car/truck that'll die by winter, and let them at it. Giving them early responsibility generally tended to have them realize just how dangerous it was and they were more cautious when they DID hit 16 and were allowed on the roads.

    On the contrary, I've also known people who are in their mid-late 20's and just don't WANT to drive.

    Same with sex... some people get pregnant or cause someone else to be by the time they're 15... they're still in highschool of all things, and obviously weren't thinking it out too clearly that maybe that was a bad idea. Then again, there are others that realize that they're seriously not ready to start a family and they're 30.

    There is no set magical age when everything falls into place for everyone; even the cases of epiphanies and such, these occur at random times for different people - there's no consistency at all.

    So... yeah. The ages are just random guesses based on whot the people who were making the laws at the time felt was a good age, regardless of how accurate it was.

    If anything, I think the fact that yeu can get charged for a crime on one day, and it can be legal the next, just because yeu had an arbitrary date crossed, ie yeur birthday, to be ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Alternatively, we could teach kids to be more responsible. I think they are capable of more, but we treat them like children for a very long time in developed countries.
    That's also very true.

    Not always the case though; it's legal to drink at 14 in france, but 21 in most of the states to my knowledge... only 19 here.

    But yes, we do tend to treat them as dumber than they really are.

    On the other hand, alot of them really are that dumb.

    I know that myself, I really wasn't that bright on alot of things until at least my mid-teens... very little rational thought, just spur of the moment.

    Someone once told me that certain situations in life mature yeu, rather than the dates they occur on... for example, someone who's gone to college simply has a different maturity level than someone who hasn't. After loosing one BF to the fact that I was older by 2 years but they had gone to college and I hadn't... I actually recognize this to be pretty likely to be true, especially now that I'm going through it myself. Living out on ones' own, having larger financial worries, and needing to control ones' life instead of living of of someone else is a big difference, and age doesn't necessarily play the biggest role in that.

    I developed very slowly mentally, but got there in the end. Some others get there much quicker because the situations they're stuck in dictate they have to, whether they like it or not.

    I think our biggest problem in developed nations isn't really that we treat kids like idiots, though. I think it's moreso that we *WANT* them to be idiots... we want them to have the "freedom of being a child" for as long as possible... because once it's gone, there's no going back. In third world countries, children are expected to act like adults far earlier on. 6-10 year olds are expected to sustain their family through work or war. We consider it abhorrent, yet clearly they're capable of doing so even that early on in life. But we want them to have the chance to be kids for much longer, before they're forced to face the reality of the world.

    This may be a large reason of why the ages are set the way they are. Obviously it's set by who's in charge, but that may be the reasoning behind why they set things the way they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post

    Why do some places require 21 to drink or even look at porn, while others are alright with it at 14?
    Look at France and the United States. In France, the drinking age is 14 and the driving age is 18. In the United States, the drinking age is 21 and the driving age is usually 16, but can be as low as 14 in some places for a permit.

    This is because France is a drinking country and the United States is a driving country. And, as we all know, these two things do not mix, so the country decides to let young adults handle one before the other, but which one they choose depends on culture.
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