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    At the risk of getting tarred an feathered....

    I want to vote for him. Really.

    Am I the only one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    At the risk of getting tarred an feathered....

    I want to vote for him. Really.

    Am I the only one?
    Get Him!



    I honestly wouldn't have a problem with Libertarians if they weren't so damn vigilant and dogmatic about their beliefs.

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    I am a "Decline to State" voter. Not a Libertarian.

    I have voted for so many parties, I don't remember their names.

    Still, what's wrong with wanting a small, unintrusive government?

    It seems to me like there are many parties that have dogmatic individuals.

    In some of his interviews, Ron Paul explains that even though he has radical ideals, he realizes that it will take time for change, and that he is simply trying to move in the right direction.

    Frankly, a lot of the Libertarian ideals make sense to me. They actually seem more consistent than both the Republican and Democratic positions.

    I consider myself non-partisan, and will choose the person (not the party) that I believe is right for the time (rest assured, very few of the people I have voted for, in any office, have won).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I am a "Decline to State" voter. Not a Libertarian.

    I have voted for so many parties, I don't remember their names.

    Still, what's wrong with wanting a small, unintrusive government?

    It seems to me like there are many parties that have dogmatic individuals.

    In some of his interviews, Ron Paul explains that even though he has radical ideals, he realizes that it will take time for change, and that he is simply trying to move in the right direction.

    Frankly, a lot of the Libertarian ideals make sense to me. They actually seem more consistent than both the Republican and Democratic positions.

    I consider myself non-partisan, and will choose the person (not the party) that I believe is right for the time (rest assured, very few of the people I have voted for, in any office, have won).
    I actually love the libertarian ideal of less is more. I'm just not too sure what Ron Paul's "less" is. If it is less Patriot Acts and Homeland Security then I am all for that. If it is less social services and education funding then I'm getting my pitchfork and torch.

    Not too mention that government regulation has its merits. If Ron Paul wants less intrusion into the free market, then I'm for him. However, if he wants less intrusion into the dealing of corrupt CEOs who steal billions from their shareholders and into the practices of corporations that lead to the harm of their consumers or the detriment of the environment, then I'm a little hesitant.

    Here in Idaho we are currently investigating companies accused of possibly polluting the aquifers. Now why on earth people would poison their own drinking water is beyond me, but I've learned that greed is a powerful motivator in the market and government regulation tends to be one of the few things that inhibits greed from destroying us. If Ron Paul's "less" involves removing that, then I have some cause for worry. But he has done a very good job of not defining what his "less" entails.

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    From the link in the OP:

    • He has never voted to raise taxes.
    • He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
    • He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
    • He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
    • He has never taken a government-paid junket.
    • He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
    • He voted against the Patriot Act.
    • He voted against regulating the Internet.
    • He voted against the Iraq war.
    • He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
    • He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.
    Some of that should appeal to liberals too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    From the link in the OP:



    Some of that should appeal to liberals too.
    You missed my point entirely. Yes, the "less is more" platform is cool. There are many places I would like to see that initiated such as in bringing down the Patriot Act and allowing for more free market. However, if that also means we have to deal with consequences such as loss of social services, education funding, and government regulations that protect the consumer and the environment, then I'm not too intrigued. The reason our country is in a shit hole right now is because of people who follow a hard line ideology. I'm not too sure Ron Paul would be any different. That goes for Hilary Clinton as well, who is a borderline socialist. I'm not a liberal, just a person who isn't impressed by candidates who blindly follow their ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    (plus- I see social services as being beneficial to the country)
    Social services yield some benefit to the country, it's true... but I strongly suspect that, over time, they provide the greatest benefit to the bureacracies that administer social services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    You missed my point entirely. Yes, the "less is more" platform is cool. There are many places I would like to see that initiated such as in bringing down the Patriot Act and allowing for more free market. However, if that also means we have to deal with consequences such as loss of social services, education funding, and government regulations that protect the consumer and the environment, then I'm not too intrigued. The reason our country is in a shit hole right now is because of people who follow a hard line ideology. I'm not too sure Ron Paul would be any different. That goes for Hilary Clinton as well, who is a borderline socialist. I'm not a liberal, just a person who isn't impressed by candidates who blindly follow their ideology.
    OK. I agree with you on most of that. I haven't chosen who I will actually vote for, but I am seriously considering Ron Paul. FWIW, I don't think he "blindly follows [his] ideology." He is for giving people freedom. He seems decidedly anti-big corporation as well as anti-big government.

    Education is a tough issue, I was public-schooled, and I think I received a top-rate education. However, I don't think the public school system works that well, now. I like the idea of giving people choice (even if it means a voucher program).

    I don't like the idea of public universal health-care, but I do think that big-pharma gets away with too much.

    I personally think much of the "social services" don't deliver, and essentially just soak up resources that could be used elsewhere.

    Anyway, I think we are unlikely to convince each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Anyway, I think we are unlikely to convince each other.
    Not necessarily. Out of all the Republican candidates, Ron Paul is my favorite. If it were between him and Obama, then I would be hard pressed to choose. I would probably choose him over Hilary. But like I said, it's how doggedly any of them follows there ideology that turns me off. Things get done in the middle and that is the way I vote.

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    I have a Ron Paul bumper sticker on my car, because I am a firm believer in the old dictum "That government governs best which governs least."

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