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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Yeah, it's quite interesting when you look at the colours by country. Blue England.. very blue. But everywhere else, nope.
    It's because we don't have lead in the water up here.
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    I was thinking about that today when someone was talking to me about the complete absence of conservatives in england and whales, their sister party in NI didnt even do very well.

    Its a uniquely english thing supporting and voting for the conservative party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post

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    I really cant figure why so many people are hating on Brown, particularly within his own party, he's not half of the things people say I'm sure and off all the party leaders he's the only one with an international profile and the connections in Europe and the US.

    Its probably indicative of how radical the tories could be that the markets have shit bricks, they are expecting lots of ideologically directed madness, the tories could be reckless and have a fire sale even if they decide they wont be able to get into office properly at the next election or if one is called.

    Fundamentally I think a huge error was made in voting against Brown and "the government" instead for something, which I think is what happened, now the tories think they have a mandate for radical measures and they'll start with a tax break for the uber richies. At a time of crisis and massive debts, a tax break, can you believe it?
    Rubbish, Gordon Brown is the most incompetent British prime minster since Anthony Eden and that takes some doing. His premiership has be a complete and utter failure whether he has a ''international profile'' or not. What exactly do you expect Labour supporters to think of a man who led the party to one of its most devastating results ever?

    What is the point of having a socialist party if it is run as if it were constitutionally a neo-conservative party? The only embarrassment Britain should have is Ed Balls did not join Jacqui Smith, Charles Clarke, and Tony McNulty in humiliating defeat.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I wonder if the Conservatives might offer a run-off system as a compromise? Does anybody know what the national opinion in the UK is on the issue of proportional representation?

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    The problem with the electoral system is not that it does not give a definitive outcome but rather it does not represent the views of voters properly.

    How would a run-off system be introduce into a non-presidential system?

    Your guess on the national opinion on proportional representation in Britain is as good as anyone else, but it would be presumably more popular than keeping the current First-past-the-post system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    It seems like there is going to be one of three outcomes:

    • An 'unofficial' pact between the Tories and the Liberal, where the Liberals only agree to support the Tories if the prospect of a vote of no confidence arises over some specified time (most likely of one or two years) in order to secure the confidence of the financial market.


    • Tory minority government, which would probably last a few years at the very most without the need of an election.


    • An 'official' pact where the Liberal support the Tories in exchange for a few cabinet positions, presumably Vince Cable as Chancellor of the Exchequer and Nick Clegg as Secretary of State for Justice.




    Each of the three have benefits and disadvantages. Falcarius' heart tells him it would be better for an official Liberal-Tory pact as described above, mostly because the thought of Mr Gideon Osborne as Chancellor of the Exchequer is more than a little scary. Do people seriously think he could run a single McDonalds fast food restaurant let alone the most important financial centre in the world and one of the world's most globalised countries? But, Falcarius' head tells him it is most probably going to be an 'unofficial' pact between the Tories and the Liberals until the economy is stabilised. The Liberals did not win anything like the number of member of parliaments the option polls thought they would, so they can't exactly play Labour and Conservatives off each other in order to gain electoral reform.
    Options 1 and 2 are the same. A Tory minority government would by definition need Lib Dem support on votes of confidence.

    You forgot about the other option a Lib-Lab pact, possibly based on replacing Gordon Brown and a referendum on "electoral reform". Possibly followed shortly after by a new election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcarius View Post
    Gordon Brown is the most incompetent British prime minster since Anthony Eden and that takes some doing. His premiership has be a complete and utter failure whether he has a ''international profile'' or not. What exactly do you expect Labour supporters to think of a man who led the party to one of its most devastating results ever?
    What do you think is wrong with Brown? Genuinely curious, I'm not very good at politics. I like Brown, he seems smart and seems to have done well with the financial crisis. I don't like Clegg, he seems too hippy idealistic and weak. Cameron comes across to me as lazy, only caring about some specific interests and friends that are close to him. I pretty much voted on that logic, I kinda feel ashamed voting on such a shallow basis but every pledge or whatever made by each party seems to have no meaning and is all just empty words. One party wants to get rid of ID cards, one wants to keep them... What am I supposed to do with that? WHY should we have/not have ID cards? And I need real numbers and reasons practically and theoretically why it's a good/bad thing but all they give are blanket statements.

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    Gordon Brown is really no more "incompetent" than any other mainstream politician. He just happened to be in office when the world's worst economic crisis in decades hit.

    As for "devastating defeat", given the circumstances, I'm not sure. The Lib Dems and Labour got 52% of the vote and have more legitimacy to form a coallition govt. than the Tories do to rule as a minority govt. Especially as most Lib Dem voters understood the possibility of a Lib-Lab pact but the great majority never thought they would form a pact with the Tories.

    Also take into account also that Labour voters tend to turn out in very low numbers in safe seats. The level of support for Labour is best reflected by the large Labour turnout in many marginal seats in order to keep the Tories out.
    "Of course we spent our money in the good times. That's what you're supposed to do in good times! You can't save money in the good times. Then they wouldn't be good times, they'd be 'preparation for the bad times' times."

    "Every country in the world owes money. Everyone. So heere's what I dont get: who do they all owe it to, and why don't we just kill the bastard and relax?"

    -Tommy Tiernan, Irish comedian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcda View Post
    Gordon Brown is really no more "incompetent" than any other mainstream politician. He just happened to be in office when the world's worst economic crisis in decades hit.

    As for "devastating defeat", given the circumstances, I'm not sure. The Lib Dems and Labour got 52% of the vote and have more legitimacy to form a coallition govt. than the Tories do to rule as a minority govt. Especially as most Lib Dem voters understood the possibility of a Lib-Lab pact but the great majority never thought they would form a pact with the Tories.
    Ummm, wouldn't the party that finished first overall have more legitimacy to try to form a government with the party that finished third than does the party who finished second? Wouldn't it be the height of naivete for a Lib Dem voter not to consider a coalition with the Tories if the Tories were polling highest of all? In Continental Europe, green parties ally with center-right parties, and liberal parties ally with center-left parties and all sorts of weird things happen.
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    whatever, it's not happening in america so it's clearly of no consequence
    The Mother of all Parliaments is of consequence to all Parliamentary democracies.

    Why not scrap your bourgeois Constitution and join the Free World?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The Mother of all Parliaments is of consequence to all Parliamentary democracies.

    Why not scrap your bourgeois Constitution and join the Free World?
    That's like saying we should kill all horseshoe crabs simply because they're living fossils.
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    for a pointless comment, every time I see the thread title I think it says A Well Hung Parlaiment

    now THAT would be interesting, not that the situation itself isn't interesting... both parties trying to woo the liberal democrats and such
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