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    Its a bit comparing apples to oranges though in the case of birth defects. A lot of people are barely capable of handling regular parenting.. throw in a life-long crippling ailment?? Do you know how many people I see that go running away when they even have to substitute teach special needs kids? A lot of people aren't prepared for, or cannot handle that sort of situation. Having a girl instead of a boy isn't going to cost you years and years of specialized care and hospital bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    This is the most disgusting thing I've read all week...

    Why even bother to presume people are going to abort? How about the months and months it takes for paperwork to be processed for government aids for families with defected children? Or finding out all the information necessary to take on the responsibilities of these children? Support groups? Not only did they think their baby was fine, but it turns out the doctor lied, the baby is not, and they're out of pocket a LOT more money, instantly, than they ever dreamed of while trying to desperately scramble for information they need to even start to get help in this area. It's effectively turned a happy day into a tragedy and ticking stress bomb.

    Disgusting. All because people FEEL like things should be their way, because their way HAS to be the right way.. damned be to people and rights, as long as they get things their way. Fucking sick children that never grew up. Punish everyone because we're going to ASSUME that people may or may not abort a baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Everyone has a choice. To fuck or not to fuck, that is the question.
    Like it or not, in America women have the choice to abort regardless of why they got pregnant.



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    i know this is a hot-button topic, but please continue to veer away from the personal stuff, thanks.

    i think it's a mistake to go to this much length in order to tacitly control outcome. the overall loss of ability to trust one's doctor is far more debilitating to ALL patients than the smaller subpool of cases where a fetus might have enough issues for the parents to chooseto abort. this is yet another control issue at play.
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    Please keep it on topic, not personal.
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    On a related note, a new law in the same state:

    New Oklahoma Law Will Put Details Of All Abortions Online - Oklahoma abortion website - Jezebel

    They're really trying to scare women out of Oklahoma, sheesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    On a related note, a new law in the same state:

    New Oklahoma Law Will Put Details Of All Abortions Online - Oklahoma abortion website - Jezebel

    They're really trying to scare women out of Oklahoma, sheesh.
    Maybe just all abortion-minded women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Maybe just all abortion-minded women.
    What makes someone "abortion-minded"? I have no personal experience, but I'd be shocked if any but the smallest percentage of abortions aren't an absolute last resort. I feel fairly justified in saying that *nobody* wants an abortion. Nobody's saying "yay, an abortion!" It's simply not that simple.

    And how does publishing someone's medical history (even if no names are specifically listed, the information's extensive and specific enough to narrow the patient down pretty well), online of all places, do anyone any good? It's not like this data, as described in the article, will be useful for legitimate scientific or policy studies. Or even if it did, that was a reason to publish it online. This is purely an effort to use fear and intimidation to force others to comply to a certain set of behaviors. We should be above that sort of conduct.

    What's next? Publishing this same confidential information for anyone who has an STD, or who is tested for STD's? Publishing the circumstances of anyone who gets an embarrassing injury?

    Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that abortions are "good", or that minimizing the circumstances that drive women to get them is a bad thing. Some things work (education about and availability of birth control), some things don't (encouraging abstinence). But in the end, anything that discourages people from taking medical matters to a legitimate, certified doctor is going to cause more harm than good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelric View Post
    What makes someone "abortion-minded"? I have no personal experience, but I'd be shocked if any but the smallest percentage of abortions aren't an absolute last resort. I feel fairly justified in saying that *nobody* wants an abortion. Nobody's saying "yay, an abortion!" It's simply not that simple.

    And how does publishing someone's medical history (even if no names are specifically listed, the information's extensive and specific enough to narrow the patient down pretty well), online of all places, do anyone any good? It's not like this data, as described in the article, will be useful for legitimate scientific or policy studies. Or even if it did, that was a reason to publish it online. This is purely an effort to use fear and intimidation to force others to comply to a certain set of behaviors. We should be above that sort of conduct.

    What's next? Publishing this same confidential information for anyone who has an STD, or who is tested for STD's? Publishing the circumstances of anyone who gets an embarrassing injury?

    Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying that abortions are "good", or that minimizing the circumstances that drive women to get them is a bad thing. Some things work (education about and availability of birth control), some things don't (encouraging abstinence). But in the end, anything that discourages people from taking medical matters to a legitimate, certified doctor is going to cause more harm than good.
    Yup. Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    So does the placebo effect cure birth defects? Because that'd be freaking amazing.
    No kidding! That would be awesome wouldn't it? Imagine the implications of something like that.

    It shouldn't matter what the doctor's motives are for lying to a patient or omitting information about a health problem... imho it's just not ethical and should not be allowed. First of all the doctor might assume that because someone is a democrat or pro-choice they might abort their own child which is NOT anywhere near valid. So said doctor might choose not to tell you about a birth defect, but then will walk across the hall to the other examination room and be willing to tell a christian pro-life republican that there are problems with their baby - thereby giving the "ideal pregnant woman" the ability to actually plan for her future and denying that right to those who are subjectively deemed unfit.

    Let's assume you're a pro-choice woman that wants to keep her child even if there are birth defects. A lot of people I know get pregnant and decide it's time to move out of the apartment and buy a house. Wouldn't you be less likely to purchase that 5,000 square foot rancher for 600k if you knew you might have to pay for serious medical bills related to a sick child? Should the doctor now be responsible for paying all of those medial bills since they kept information from you that might have altered some of your financial decisions in a major way? In my opinion, yes.

    Either way abortion is legal in this country and therefore choosing to have or not to have an abortion is a moral decision not a legal one, therefore it is absolutely ridiculous for doctors to be able to force their own moral objective onto their patients. I guess if you're living in oklahoma and you're pregnant you might want to drive outside of the state for medical care.

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    It seems to me that the doctor has a slight bit of control over the birth of the child, and if personal faiths are brought into the picture, he could feel compelled to move by those, which is more than slightly unfair to the mother.

    I also wonder why a doctor, by medical and not religious standards, would feel the need to keep such a massive bit of information silent.
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