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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post

    I think as far as 'ethnic studies' in elementary to high school - the bill is probably targeting teaching anything about Mexico in any history or geography class. Which for a state like Arizona means you are missing a huge chunk of the state's own history. Kind of a clever way to encourage historical amnesia.
    I see where it's a problem now. This whole mindset and reaction is definitely very bizarre, and I find this largely incomprehensible, but that's mostly because of where I grew up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Where'd dat Americun acksunt bideo go?

    That was funny and SPOT ON!!

    The only point about 'English teachers' and accents that I have is it would make more sense to me if Americans in general seemed to care, at all, about proper grammar, spelling, and their own speaking accents. As has been pointed out, just because you are born in the US and 'non ethnic white' does not mean you have mastery of the language.

    So the contention is that 'proper accent' in this case is just a not so thinly veiled criticism of anything outside of non-white middle class middle American standard. Period. So yes, it has racial as well as class overtones.

    As far as the mechanics of language acquisition, just because one of your English teachers has an accent doesn't mean you will pick it up or absorb it. If you live in America, you are bombarded and surrounded by millions of English speakers and hear all kinds of voices and accents in media as well as real life.

    If you spoke another language first or grew up with a thick regional accent, you are NEVER going to be able to scrub 100% the overlay of that language.

    Maybe with a speech pathologist or dialect coach you can fake it or cover it sometimes (like the guy who plays "House") but in general it's rare you will be able to change 100% your accent (also, look at Pygmalion as another example :P)

    Having 1 English teacher for roughly 1 hour a day, 3-5 days a week, for 1 semester (or maybe 2/3 of the year depending on what grade you are in) is not going to make a big dent in your accent, especially if their time is split between you and 25-35 other students. And you aren't even practicing speaking drills the entire time. The only way to improve your accent is to continue to practice speaking, and again, that's probably not going to happen with your public school English teacher.

    If the English teacher just doesn't have a mastery of the language, yes, that's an issue.

    But, again, accents exist regardless of mastery of language. An accent by itself is no indication of anything other than the person in question has a different first language or grew up with a regional accent.

    And if sloppy English and an accent is good enough for a former President (or 2 or 3) why is a problem for the rest of America?

    If you can become president (no matter what your race, creed, or gender) with sloppy English, why you gotsa learn it goode?
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    Sounds more anti mexican then anything, given arizona... well I dont doubt thats who theyre attacking. Depending on where you stand on immigration reform they got either a major problem or no problem at all lol.
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    I have dual citizenship since I was born in the USA and spent most of my life in Europe. In secondary school I learned a lot about other cultures and was required to learn other languages. Granted we did not learn a lot about the non-white cultures, which I never thought was fair, but there was at least an undertone of acceptance for other cultures. Probably because the countries are much smaller in the EU and their survival is a lot more closely linked.

    I had teachers from many different cultures and with many different accents throughout my education and I always thought that it was nice to have many different perspectives around. Arizona seems a little bit like the twilight zone. Editing history seems like a not so subtle way to encourage it to get repeated. I wonder if they are expecting a better outcome the second time around? It really is scary.

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    In the 90's, Phoenix lost a Super Bowl due to their refusal to recognize MLK day. The 2011 MLB All Star game is supposed to be in Arizona, but MLB is considering moving it.
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    [YOUTUBE=ijeXGv9QLRc]Public Enemy - By the Time I Get to Arizona[/YOUTUBE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    I'm also Japanese, gay, and converting to Judaism. I'd add female, but you are too. Do you really want to get into the oppression olympics? I've never said that I'm blind to the privilege I've received from class, but that doesn't mean I don't know what the rest feels like. Not to mention, I hate racism. Period. It's not just America, but I happen to be a citizen of this country. This specific racism affects me directly.

    I don't agree with prejudice coming from anyone, on any level. However, calling out the racism of ethnic minorities directed towards whites isn't the same as what some white people do to everyone that isn't. The one reason being, power. Minorities can be racist to you in personal interactions, but they don't have the power to affect your life on every level. Especially where it counts most, which would be institutional (housing, education, and employment).

    If you have the funds you can always move to a predominantly white neighborhood, and escape whatever persecution you might feel on a daily basis. The same can't be said for minorities, regardless of where they live.

    I agree that immigration is a problem, and it needs to be taken care of. Yet, I don't think what Arizona is doing is without racism.

    Do you realize April is confederate pride month? Anyway, calling out poor white people and their lack of sophistication is really just another way to put the blame in the wrong place. The real problem is rich whites and how they mold society.
    I don't know how it is around where yeu live, but around here it's not much of a racial thing (there's some racism in this particular area, which's odd to me as there wasn't any visable in the last area I lived at all, but it's still just gang warfare at best and doesn't seem to affect the normal populace).

    It comes down not to rich whites, but rich ANYONE. Rich whites mold society. Rich minorities mold the laws in their favour. Either way, it's the people who have money who are yanking the chains, regardless of race or religion here.

    Standard Caucasian majority will try to support their own people as regular day to day living advantages. Minorities will provide so many secondary benefits, though, it's not funny.

    Seriously, if I were 1/16th native american, my tuition would've been practically free from the additional benefits, and I would've been given several thousand dollars before I was 10.

    Being female means lower car insurance, more bursaries and benefits for school, and much better chance to get a job... because the government will subsidize a portion of my salary because of the job market I'm in. So a guy with better qualifications will likely get turned down over me because I will be paid proportionately less by the company that's hiring, due to there being "not enough females in the field" and they're trying to encourage more... which's dumb.

    Seriously, males and females should just work whereever they want without prejudice. Just because certain fields of work aren't perfectly 50/50 splits doesn't mean there's sexism or racism in play... it just means that group may not be really all that interested in that field of work for the most part.

    How many females work in the gaming industry? Maybe 20% compared to 80% of it being males? Does that mean it's sexist? Nooooooo. Well not by the employers anyway. It's a cultural racist thing; for the past 20-30 years it was considered "unwomanly" or whotever for girls to play video games. Girls got dolls, boys got G I Joe, and the nerd boys got video games. Girls were generally discouraged by society to play games at all; that's changed significantly as of late, surprisingly in large part due to World of Warcraft getting a TON of people to play it who never were gamers at all before. Hate the game or love it, doesn't matter, it introduced gaming to a much, much wider market of people who had never even considered video games seriously before in their lives, including many, many women. It's no longer considered nerdy to play games, really, and women aren't looked at weird if they have a gameboy anymore. However, that means only in the last few years are girls growing up with games in their lives from the start, and those who have, aren't at college level yet to join the industry. I'm an exception and I realize this. Girls just didn't get the opportunity to start life with video games until the last few years and so won't make up a major part of the employment market. Give it 10 years and it'll probably be about 50/50. Except then it'll still have the laws where women were given benefits to get jobs when they don't need them anymore, but it'd be sexist to remove such benefits... which then swings the other way, and eventually males become the minority... and then we're stuck with a reversed situation that's still sexist.

    People just don't realize in general that some things are not whot they seem. If yeu have a small company, like say THREE EMPLOYEES, yeu can't realistically be expected to have much diversity in yeur employment... if the majority of people are white, then yeah, chances are 100% of yeur 3 workers will be... white. Because that's the hiring base. If yeu have 1 black or asian, then it'll be like 33% of yeur workforce is asian... is 33% of the area asian? Probably not. Yet yeu can get penalized for NOT having a minority hired despite having such a small number of workers... soooo they hired a token minority, generally a female/asian or female/black so they can cover two with one stone. The people around there realize that as long as yeu're a visable minority, such as a cripple, female (which's odd since we're the MAJORITY), or racial, that yeu can do absolutely nothing for effort or work, and get a sustainable job anyway simply because yeu keep the company from getting sued and reduce their taxes if yeu're the token minority.

    The rich whites are not the only threat to racism. The rich minorities also play a pretty noticeable role in this as well. The race card is mostly just thrown around to confuse people, and sew discontent around the lower classes.

    Seriously, the people that should be banding togeather are those of financial levels, not racial ones, because that's where yeur real oppression is for the most part. The cases of actual minority abuse are generally just the people who have bought into this crap about minority wars in the first place, or are jelous that the minorities get so many additional benefits just for being born.

    Which... leaves us right back where we started.

    Nice to see we have such wonderful foresight.

    In our attempts to ensure minorities don't get abused, we instead ensure they WILL.

    Maybe I should just go bang my head against the wall for a few hours until I'm practically braindead. At least I'd fit in with the rest of humanity then -_-;

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    Yes, and no.

    Wealthy minorities and those that fall into the buffer class (indians, asians, people mixed with white) are thrown a few bones (monetary gain) to help the white upper class keep everyone down. They aren't really furthering their own causes so much as helping the white elite keep their system in place. So, yes. In that sense, they're a threat to the well being of other classes.

    Aside from poor blacks, native americans have the worst lot in America out of any other group. They deserve the aid they receive. Besides, even if they get help they still live in poverty. Ghettos with terrible healthcare. They have one of the highest infant mortality rates, major drug, and sexual abuse problems. Trust me, this is not a group to envy or want to trade places with.

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    This isn't very convincing.
    FAIR Marked by Ties to White Supremacy

    The forces seeking to sharply reduce the number of immigrants coming to America won a stunning victory last June, when nativist anger at an "amnesty" for the undocumented scuttled a major bipartisan immigration reform package backed by President Bush. Many members of Congress were completely unprepared for the flood of angry E-mails, phone calls and faxes they received — an inundation so massive that the phone system collapsed under the weight of more than 400,000 faxes.

    They should not have been surprised. The furious nativist tide was largely driven by an array of immigration restriction organizations that has been built up over the course of more than 20 years into fixtures in the nation's capital.

    The vast majority of these groups were founded or funded by John Tanton, a major architect of the contemporary nativist movement who, 20 years ago, was already warning of a destructive "Latin onslaught" heading to the United States. Most of these organizations used their vast resources in the days leading up to a vote on the bill to stir up a nativist backlash that ultimately resulted in its death.

    At the center of the Tanton web is the nonprofit Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), the most important organization fueling the backlash against immigration. Founded by Tanton in 1979, FAIR has long been marked by anti-Latino and anti-Catholic attitudes. It has mixed this bigotry with a fondness for eugenics, the idea of breeding better humans discredited by its Nazi associations. It has accepted $1.2 million from an infamous, racist eugenics foundation. It has employed officials in key positions who are also members of white supremacist groups. Recently, it has promoted racist conspiracy theories about Mexico's secret designs on the American Southwest and an alternative theory alleging secret plans to merge the United States, Mexico and Canada. Just last February, a senior FAIR official sought "advice" from the leaders of a racist Belgian political party.

    FAIR officials declined repeated requests for comment.

    None of this — or any other material evidencing the bigotry and racism that courses through the group — seems to have affected FAIR's media standing. In just the first 10 months of 2007, the group was quoted in mainstream media outlets nearly 500 times with virtually no mention of its more unsavory aspects. FAIR President Dan Stein was featured on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" at least 12 times in the same period, along with countless appearances on other television news shows. And, perhaps most remarkably of all, FAIR has been taken seriously by Congress, which has called upon its officials to testify on immigration more than 30 times since 2000.

    "The sad fact is that attempts to reform our immigration system are being sabotaged by organizations fueled by hate," said Henry Fernandez, a senior fellow and expert on immigration at the Center for American Progress, a "progressive" think tank. "Many anti-immigrant leaders have backgrounds that should disqualify them from even participating in mainstream debate, yet the American press quotes them without ever noting their bizarre and often racist beliefs."

    Under Lutton's editorial leadership, Tanton's journal has published dozens of articles from prominent white supremacists. One special issue was even devoted to the theme of "Europhobia: The Hostility Toward European-Descended Americans" and featured a lead article from John Vinson, head of the Tanton-backed hate group, the American Immigration Control Foundation. Vinson argued that multiculturalism was replacing "successful Euro-American culture" with "dysfunctional Third World cultures." Tanton elaborated in his own remarks, decrying the "unwarranted hatred and fear" of whites that he blamed on "multiculturalists" and immigrants.

    Presumably, these articles and more are well known to Stein, the president of FAIR — until 2003, he was an editorial adviser to The Social Contract. And Stein had lots of company. FAIR board members Sharon Barnes and Diana Hull also have been on the journal's board of editorial advisers. FAIR's current media director, Ira Mehlman, was an adviser in 2001 and 2002, and his essay, "Grand Delusions: Open Borders Will Destroy Society," was published in the journal's pages. Today, FAIR still advertises The Social Contract on its website, saying the journal "offers in-depth studies on immigration, population, language, assimilation, environment, national unity and balance of individual rights and civil responsibilities."

    So where does FAIR stand on the matter of Tanton's views? The group has never criticized or sought distance from its founder. In 2004, in fact, Stein insisted that Tanton "never asserted the inferiority or superiority of any racial, ethnic or religious group. Never." The same year, FAIR hosted a gala event honoring Tanton for his 25 years of service. To this day, Tanton remains on FAIR's board.

    The Eugenics Connection
    Probably the best-known evidence of FAIR's extremism is its acceptance of funds from a notorious, New York City-based hate group, the Pioneer Fund. In the mid-1980s, when FAIR's budgets were still in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, the group reached out to Pioneer Fund, which was established in 1937 to promote the racial stock of the original colonists, finance studies of race and intelligence, and foster policies of "racial betterment." (Pioneer has concentrated on studies meant to show that blacks are less intelligent than whites, but it has also backed nativist groups like ProjectUSA, run by former FAIR board member Craig Nelsen.)

    The Pioneer Fund liked what it saw and, between 1985 and 1994, disbursed about $1.2 million to FAIR. In 1997, when the Phoenix New Times confronted Tanton about the matter, he "claimed ignorance about the Pioneer Fund's connection to numerous researchers seemingly intent on proving the inferiority of blacks, as well as its unsavory ties to Nazism." But he sounded a different tune in 2001, when he insisted that he was "comfortable being in the company of other Pioneer Fund grantees." Today, Tanton's defense is that he is no different than the "open borders crowd" that accepts money from the liberal Ford Foundation, which was founded by Henry Ford, the anti-Semitic auto manufacturer. What he ignores is that the Ford Foundation, unlike the Pioneer Fund, is not promoting racist ideas.
    Some have called for FAIR to return the Pioneer money, but that has not happened. In fact, when asked about it in 1993, Stein told a reporter, "My job is to get every dime of Pioneer's money." One reason for Stein's lack of hesitation may be that FAIR has long been interested in the pseudo-science of eugenics.

    One of FAIR's long-time leaders, and a personal hero to Tanton, is the late Garrett Hardin, a committed eugenicist and for years a professor of human ecology at the University of California. Hardin, who died in 2003, was himself a Pioneer Fund grantee, using the fund's money to expand his 1968 essay, "The Tragedy of the Commons." In it, Hardin wrote, "Freedom to breed will bring ruin to all."

    Race War and the Duty to Die
    That was the least of it. In a 1992 interview with Omni magazine, Hardin said he supported abortion — "A fetus is of so little value, there's no point worrying about it" — as "effective population control." He argued the Third World is filled with "the next generation of breeders" who need to be stopped. He discouraged aid to starving Africans because that would only "encourage population growth."

    Hardin wasn't alone. A current FAIR board member, three-time Democratic governor of Colorado Richard Lamm, sounded a similar theme in 1984, while still governor, saying "terminally ill people have a duty to die and get out of the way."

    Like Tanton, Lamm seems to fear a coming race war. In his futuristic 1985

    novel, Megatraumas: America at the Year 2000, Lamm sketches it out like this: "[O]ur lack of control of our borders allowed 2 million legal and illegal immigrants to settle in the United States every year. That caused unemployment to rise to 15.2 percent by 1990 and 19.1 percent this year. … [T]he rash of firebombings throughout the Southwest, and the three-month siege of downtown San Diego in 1998 were all led by second-generation Hispanics, the children of immigrants."

    As late as 2004, Lamm was sounding similar racial fears, telling a reporter that "new cultures" in the U.S. "are diluting what we are and who we are."
    For his part, Stein was asked about Hardin's belief that only "intelligent people" should breed for an editorial by Tucker Carlson in the 1997 Wall Street Journal. "Yeah, so what?" Stein replied. "What is your problem with that?"

    After Hardin's death, John Tanton created in honor of his mentor a group called The Garrett Hardin Society, devoted to "the preservation of [Hardin's] writings and ideas." On the society's board are Tanton, Wayne Lutton and U.S. Inc.'s recently appointed chief executive, John Rohe, the author of an adoring 2002 biography of Tanton and his wife that reads like the life of a saint.

    Hiring Haters
    In late 2006, FAIR hired as its western field representative, a key organizing position, a man named Joseph Turner. Turner was likely attractive to FAIR because he wrote what turned out to be a sort of model anti-illegal immigrant ordinance for the city of San Bernardino, Calif. Based on Turner's work, FAIR wrote a version of the law that is now promoted to many other cities. (The law almost certainly violates the Constitution, but that has not stopped many municipalities' interest.)

    But there was more to Turner than FAIR let on. In 2005, Turner had created, and then led, a nativist group called Save Our State. The group was remarkable for its failure to disassociate itself from the neo-Nazi skinheads who often joined its rallies — something that virtually all other nativist groups, worried about bad publicity, worked hard to do. Save Our State's electronic bulletin board, too, was remarkable for the racist vitriol that frequently appeared there.

    It was in that forum that Turner made one of his more controversial remarks, amounting to a defense of white separatism. "I can make the argument that just because one believes in white separatism that that does not make them a racist," Turner wrote in 2005. "I can make the argument that someone who proclaims to be a white nationalist isn't necessarily a white supremacist. I don't think that standing up for your ‘kind' or ‘your race' makes you a bad person." The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed Save Our State as a hate group since it appeared in 2005.

    Turner's predecessor in the FAIR organizing post, Rick Oltman, was cut from the same cloth. Oltman has been described as a member of the Council of Conservative Citizens (CCC) in the publications of that hate group, which is directly descended from the segregationist White Citizens Councils and has described blacks as "a retrograde species of humanity." He has spoken at at least one of the CCC's conferences and has taken part in one of its rallies. And he wasn't alone.

    According to the CCC newsletter, FAIR's longtime associate director, Dave Ray, was scheduled to speak at another CCC event. And, in September 2002, FAIR Eastern Regional Coordinator Jim Stadenraus participated in an anti-immigration conference on Long Island, N.Y., with Jared Taylor. Taylor is both a CCC member and the founder of the racist eugenicist publication, American Renaissance.

    FAIR has also produced programming featuring hate group leaders linked to the CCC. According to the anti-racist Center for New Community, FAIR's now defunct television production, "Borderline," featured interviews with Taylor and Sam Francis, who edited the CCC's newsletter until his death in 2005.

    Donald Collins, a member of both FAIR's board of directors and its board of advisers, has his own ties to white supremacy. Collins posts frequently to a hate website called Vdare.com, which is named after Virginia Dare (said to be the first white child born in the New World) and publishes the work of white supremacists and anti-Semites. Collins also has been published in The Journal of Social, Political and Economic Studies, a periodical run by longtime academic racist Roger Pearson. (Pearson founded the Eugenics Society in 1963 and worked with at least one former SS officer in England. He is also the recipient of several Pioneer Fund grants.)

    Several of Collins' articles have attacked Catholics and their church for their pro-immigrant stances. In one, he accused Los Angeles Archbishop Roger Mahony of selling out his country "in exchange for more temporal power and glory." Collins has also accused Catholic bishops of "infiltrating and manipulating the American political process" in order to undermine the separation of church and state.

    Collins is not FAIR's only link to the Vdare.com hate site. Joe Guizzardi, a member of FAIR's board of advisers, is the editor of Vdare.com. He writes there frequently about how Latin American immigrants come to the United States in order to "reconquer" it — a conspiracy theory pushed by numerous hate groups.

    Bad Press
    By and large, FAIR has escaped negative publicity, generally being depicted as a mainstream critic of American immigration policy. But there are exceptions.

    In 2000, FAIR ran ads opposing the reelection of Sen. Spencer Abraham (R-Mich.), a Lebanese American who defeated Tanton in the primaries, because he had supported issuing more visas for immigrants with high-tech skills. The ads featured side-by-side photos of Abraham and Osama bin Laden and this question: "Why is Senator Abraham trying to make it easier for terrorists like Osama bin Laden to export their war of terror to any city street in America?" The ads also accused the senator of pushing a bill that would "take American jobs. Our jobs."

    The ads produced an immediate controversy, and a staunch conservative, Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.), quit FAIR in protest. Under attack, Stein insisted the ads weren't racist and later claimed that he'd thought Abraham was Jewish.

    That same year, FAIR helped fund ads in Iowa that were rejected as "borderline racist" by the general manager of WHO-TV in Des Moines. When the same ads appeared in Nebraska, Sen. Chuck Hagel, a Republican, lost his temper. "The trash that this crowd puts out is just beyond terrible," Hagel said.

    Four years later in Texas, the Coalition for the Future of the American Worker — a FAIR front group designed to look like it represents labor interests — ran ads heavy on images of dark-skinned men loitering on corners and running from police cars. One of the ad's prime targets, Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas), condemned the ads as racist. His Republican challenger, Pete Sessions, found them so repugnant that he joined Frost in calling for them to be yanked off the air in their district.

    In 2004, FAIR made an extremely unusual criticism of a fellow nativist, a woman named Virginia Abernethy who had just joined the national advisory board of Protect Arizona Now (PAN). PAN, aided by some $600,000 from FAIR, had worked to collect signatures for a referendum (which ultimately passed) to require proof of citizenship when registering to vote or signing up for public benefits. But as Election Day neared, newspapers trumpeted the revelation that PAN's new adviser was a self-declared "white separatist" who had long been active in the CCC.

    FAIR reacted instantly with a pious press release denouncing "Abernethy's repulsive views." The release left many scratching their heads — FAIR, after all, had CCC members on its payroll, and any number of other ties to the group. Its own officials had in several cases endorsed similar separatist views. And Tanton, FAIR's founder and chief ideologue, was intimately familiar with Abernethy's work. After all, he had published her writings frequently in The Social Contract and his editor, Wayne Lutton, had shared the podium with Abernethy at forums of the CCC.

    Whither FAIR?
    Following the defeat of the bipartisan immigration package this summer, FAIR flew into action one more time. This time, it went after the DREAM Act, a widely supported, bipartisan bill that would have provided a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrant students accepted to college. FAIR was the key advocate for its defeat and, sure enough, the DREAM Act finally died this October.

    Is this the future for FAIR? Will journalists, politicians and the general public continue to take the organization and its nativist propaganda seriously?
    Dan Stein thinks so.

    As he put it at FAIR's 25th anniversary celebration in 2004, just when the American nativist movement had begun to sense its own strength: "[T]oday," he said, "as the country moves finally into a serious and realistic debate, the founders have created a mature and knowledgeable organization prepared to lead."
    The Teflon Nativists | Southern Poverty Law Center

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Yes, and no.

    Wealthy minorities and those that fall into the buffer class (indians, asians, people mixed with white) are thrown a few bones (monetary gain) to help the white upper class keep everyone down. They aren't really furthering their own causes so much as helping the white elite keep their system in place. So, yes. In that sense, they're a threat to the well being of other classes.

    Aside from poor blacks, native americans have the worst lot in America out of any other group. They deserve the aid they receive. Besides, even if they get help they still live in poverty. Ghettos with terrible healthcare. They have one of the highest infant mortality rates, major drug, and sexual abuse problems. Trust me, this is not a group to envy or want to trade places with.
    That's a bit of an over generalization. There are more than a few minorities with very good options, and I myself life in a ghetto XD

    However, native americans have a special situation... many live on reserves designed specifically for them because they WANT to be isolated and maintain their culture and traditions. Problem is, they get shoved such ridiculous amounts of money (there was a gas tax refund sent to native americans a few years ago where children who were like age 5 were given THOUSANDS of dollars in rebates they'd never possibly earned, just because they lived on a reserve), but have nowhere to spend it because they get everything so cheap or not having to pay at all. If yeu give someone thousands of dollars and nowheres to spend it, chances are they're going to abuse it. And if yeu get a large enough number of people abusing it in a community, they'll foster doing so to the others in that community as well.

    Native americans are sadly a self perpetuating case because they are actively forcing themselves into that position; the ones who leave the reservations generally do quite well for themselves that I've seen. The ones who stay in their isolated locations though, have created for themselves a culture of depravity flat out BECAUSE of the aid they receive. The worst thing anyone could've done is throw money at them... and that's exactly whot we did.

    Worst part is that noone's particularly concerned because they're breeding themselves out of existance. It's estimated that within 100 years it won't be physically possible to claim native american descent because noone will be capable of being born more than the 1/32nd requirement of lineage.

    Regardless, my point is that, despite being about as white as they come... I don't feel particularly privileged. In fact, I'm at a noticeable disadvantage in schooling, finances, job security, and job finding. I don't see where this "white oppression" comes in if it doesn't actually benefit the white population in the process.

    I will have to go to greater lengths to get a job, more effort to maintain the job, greater skill and aptitude and work ethic to get the same pay, and have to struggle just to afford schooling and am provided none of the aid that someone in my same situation who was a more visable minority would receive.

    I'm about the lowest on the totem pole there is right now, unless I was male. That's about the only way to sink any farther. I live in a ghetto, I make nil for money, I have to work harder and longer just to even get the job in the first place. How is this a privilege? XD

    If I'm going to be branded as being oppressing, I'd at least like to see some of the benefits for such... it's not much good to be called such horrid things with all evidence pointing to the exact opposite.




    EDIT: Then again I'm in canada and things're different in relation to immigration here than in the states. Canada has a declining population, the only way it sustains itself is through immigration. There's a ton of concessions and benefits to maintain such.

    The states, on the other hand, does tend to seem to be alot more of the "WE'RE #1! Anyone who wants to live here OWES us!" mentality.

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