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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    it will ruin the lives of some stupid animals, and will take a few years for BP to clean it up. Look-- we eat millions of stupid animals every damn day. This has no effect on my life, nor does it on most of yours.
    Well here's the thing--animals might be stupid, but they're innocent. Seeing that picture of that pelican made a little part of me die. Sure, we eat certain critters for meat. Okay, fine...but this oil spill simply needlessly kills so many animals for no reason whatsoever, and then ruins so many more lives...

    As for the CEO, someone should put his head on a pike. I know China once executed the head of its equivalent of the FDA when bad milk (IIRC) was being shipped out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    Well here's the thing--animals might be stupid, but they're innocent. Seeing that picture of that pelican made a little part of me die. Sure, we eat certain critters for meat. Okay, fine...but this oil spill simply needlessly kills so many animals for no reason whatsoever, and then ruins so many more lives...
    Agreed, it is totally reckless, the spill happening in the first place, and the completely inadequate response to date.

    This is a fundamental problem with their being very loose regulation on big industries. How much extra money would it have cost to require inspection and testing of the check valves/spill control devices/equipment as compared to the cost of the oil spill cleanup?

    If you think BP is going to get their asses handed to them, think again,. Look at the stats of the historical judgement against Exxon in the 1989 Valdez disaster:

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    "...Exxon was ordered to pay awarded $287 million for actual damages and $5 billion for punitive damages by an Anchorage, Alaska jury, but through several appeals had the total damages reduced to $507.5 million... Some lawmakers, such as Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy, have decried the ruling as "another in a line of cases where this Supreme Court has misconstrued congressional intent to benefit large corporations."
    FROM: Exxon Valdez oil spill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by IlyaK1986 View Post
    As for the CEO, someone should put his head on a pike. I know China once executed the head of its equivalent of the FDA when bad milk (IIRC) was being shipped out.
    I agree. I think Kenneth Lay (CEO of ENRON) should have been drawn and quartered. But I don't think anything substantial will happen to BP's CEO or his corporation.

    Finally, why the hell hasn't the U.S. Navy fired a shitload of torpedos at the leaking well and seal it up with a massive collapse of rubble and extreme heat from the explosion? Not a nuclear torpedo, just a sizeable number of conventional torpedos. A co-worker of mine said that he had heard of a Russian oil spill in the Baltic/North Sea region and that use of a Russian sub's torpedos sealed that particular clusterfuck. I have not verified this, as I have not had time to research it, but it seems like a plausible means of sealing the damn thing up. In May on TV there was some dumbass plan discussed in using garbage to seal the well. Give me a break! Just blow the damn thing up and seal it that way!
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    BP: the new Enron.

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    Why Cameron Is Diving Deep on Gulf Oil - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

    i find this fascinating and would like to read the proposal james cameron's panel of sea peeps put together. i think his point regarding third party footage of the incident is valid - journalists cover war zones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tawanda View Post
    BP: the new Enron.
    God help us all. If that's the case we just might be fukt, SRSLY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strawberries View Post
    Why Cameron Is Diving Deep on Gulf Oil - Dot Earth Blog - NYTimes.com

    i find this fascinating and would like to read the proposal james cameron's panel of sea peeps put together. i think his point regarding third party footage of the incident is valid - journalists cover war zones.
    Great article!!!
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    They should nuke the well in order to get it to stop gushing.

    It's the American way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnificentMind View Post
    They should nuke the well in order to get it to stop gushing.

    It's the American way.
    Apparently we would do this if it weren't in violation of international treaty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBowden View Post
    I can't stand how people spaz out over accidents. Look at the last ten years-- 9/11, the Columbia disaster, Katrina, the banking collapse, and BP. Each time, hordes of people are like, OMG THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!!!!!
    I can't speak for others (though you seem to have problem doing it), but I never thought 9/11 was going to cause the end of the world. Going to war over something so insignificant was one of the worst decisions this country ever made.

    Katrina wasn't the end of the world. I don't recall anyone saying that. Maybe I missed it.

    The financial collapse is a big deal. Are you trying to say it's not?

    This oil leak is a big deal. The fact that you don't see why it's important does mean it's not important. That only highlights the limits of your comprehension.

    People have literally lost their grip on reality. Worst case for the BP oil spill: it will ruin the lives of some stupid animals, and will take a few years for BP to clean it up. Look-- we eat millions of stupid animals every damn day. This has no effect on my life, nor does it on most of yours.
    If you believe humans are also stupid animals, then I agree with you. Many humans' lives are being ruined by this.

    It is the abracadabra, hopenchange method of dealing with risk and uncertainty. Do we send a strongly worded letter to the oil spill? Perhaps we can send an ambassador to it, and find out the root causes and what we did to make it dislike us? Maybe we can invite the oil spill to a meeting with the President on the south lawn to talk about their differences. Of course, we can always bribe the oil spill with government largesse, ahem, "invest in our children," "create jobs" "build bridges to the future" in return for its support. And if that doesn't work, we can always use old-fashioned methods-- we can have union thugs beat up the oil spill.
    The free market, in its current form, will fail to properly punish BP because it doesn't have a good way to deal with externalities. As a result, BP is going to pass what should be their losses on to others (ruining the lives of fishermen, etc). BP should be liquidated. That is the cost of incompetence.

    Seriously-- the enlightened, smart, bright, progressive way of looking at the world is puerile and stupid. BP has more resources than the government to stop the leak, and they have every incentive to stop it. They'll do their best, and we'll see what happens. So stop worshiping Gaia, turn off your television set, and stop bitching-- your life is not being harmed because of this. Risk is a part of life-- even hopenchange progressive socialist societies have their Chernobyls. Deal with it.
    BP does have more resources, yet they are still completely incompetent. They failed to properly assess their risk. They failed to create adequate safeguards. They failed to develop the technology to deal with this sort of situation beforehand. BP is failure. Because of their lack of foresight, they should pay. They should be liquidated.

    Jeez I hate you people.
    This is the only truth in your entire post.
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    I have the perfect solution to the oil disaster!

    There are a ton of fishing and other small business commercial type vessels not doing anything right now due to the oil spill. BP should rent them! Put them to good use!

    Let them be captain'd by T-baggers uh, Tea-Partiers!

    Load the vessels up with BP Shareholders and Executives!

    Get a bunch of straws and hang their asses over the sides of the boats!

    Puttin' to work! Sucking the oil out of the Gulf!


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