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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    The burqa is a symbol of religious extremism, not Islam.

    We already have laws dictating how people must dress in public. Banning the burqa does not extend the government's reach.
    Is that how it is in Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Is that how it is in Canada?
    We do not allow public nudity. The US is actually more restrictive. In parts of Canada, it is not illegal for women to go topless anywhere men are allowed to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    We do not allow public nudity. The US is actually more restrictive. In parts of Canada, it is not illegal for women to go topless anywhere men are allowed to do the same.
    There are parts of the United States that are like that, too, do not be presumptive.

    So while we do not allow public nudity, we are going to ban wearing too much clothing?

    Restaurants ban people from their venues with "no shirt, no shoes, no service", however not wearing shirts or shoes in public will not necessarily get one arrested for indecency. Burqas actually are banned in banks with the policy of "no hats, no hoods, no sunglasses". However, banks and restaurants are private institutions. To ban something in a public place would mean that it would be a law and not just store policy. By specifically banning the burqa, we would be enforcing religious prosecution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    There are parts of the United States that are like that, too, do not be presumptive.

    So while we do not allow public nudity, we are going to ban wearing too much clothing?

    Restaurants ban people from their venues with "no shirt, no shoes, no service", however not wearing shirts or shoes in public will not necessarily get one arrested for indecency. Burqas actually are banned in banks with the policy of "no hats, no hoods, no sunglasses". However, banks and restaurants are private institutions. To ban something in a public place would mean that it would be a law and not just store policy. By specifically banning the burqa, we would be enforcing religious prosecution.

    And you are uncomfortable with that because ..... ? (just asking)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    And you are uncomfortable with that because ..... ? (just asking)
    Well, personally, it's because I'm a part of a group that's rather famous for being persecuted, so in that way it raises my hackles.

    It raises them even more because "land of the free" originally meant "land of the free (from religious persecution)." If you start persecuting one, it means none of them are safe. It's a slippery slope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    So while we do not allow public nudity, we are going to ban wearing too much clothing?
    The important thing is that they are curtailing freedoms.

    By specifically banning the burqa, we would be enforcing religious prosecution.
    The burqa is trivial. What the French and other nations are trying to do is to hinder the spread of religious extremism. Extremism is not consistent with the values of free societies.

    Why should an abhorrent practice be tolerated just because it is done under the guise of religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    The burqa is trivial. What the French and other nations are trying to do is to hinder the spread of religious extremism. Extremism is not consistent with the values of free societies.

    Why should an abhorrent practice be tolerated just because it is done under the guise of religion?
    If the burqa is trivial, why ban it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    If the burqa is trivial, why ban it?
    Because it will make it more difficult to indoctrinate and keep the women isolated and dependent on their masters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    Because it will make it more difficult to indoctrinate and keep the women isolated and dependent on their masters.
    If that was the case, then it's not trivial.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    If that was the case, then it's not trivial.
    Then ban it.

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