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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We have just had a long public enquiry and a long public debate and rejected a bill of rights, for we find our democratically elected parliament protects our rights better than the unelected judiciary.

    We also reject revolution, civil war, guns and the Presidency.
    I'm going to guess that your settlers were bit less diverse than those in what is now the US and both your settlers and Great Britain had learned a thing or two from our revolutionary war and founding.

    I think it's cool that you guys can be laid back like that. We got a lot of zealots and hot heads over here and I think that is part of what makes it necessary to have some of these set in stone ideas to protect us from one another.
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    Women who are religious enough to wear a burqa (or whose families are demanding enough to force them to wear it) are women who will forgo education rights and health benefits and whatever else they decide to take away as incentive in order to continue wearing it, the same way that banning gay marriage doesn't prevent gay people from being together. The "problem" still exists, except now you have yet another group of people without the same basic rights as others. How is this anything but legal discrimination?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerithria View Post
    Women who are religious enough to wear a burqa (or whose families are demanding enough to force them to wear it) are women who will forgo education rights and health benefits and whatever else they decide to take away as incentive in order to continue wearing it, the same way that banning gay marriage doesn't prevent gay people from being together. The "problem" still exists, except now you have yet another group of people without the same basic rights as others. How is this anything but legal discrimination?
    The problem is that the Koran and Sharia discriminate against women, and the burqa is a symbol of Islamic misogyny.

    Women gained the national vote in Australia and New Zealand for the first time in human history in 1904, and we are not going to let Islam take us back to the 7th Century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We have just had a long public enquiry and a long public debate and rejected a bill of rights, for we find our democratically elected parliament protects our rights better than the unelected judiciary.

    We also reject revolution, civil war, guns and a Presidency.
    That's why America is more free.

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    That's why America is more free.
    America is more free? You believe your own propaganda.

    America doesn't ever have a Social Democratic Party. You have two parties of Business. Essentially you are a one Party State.

    America celebrates Revolution and Civil War and exports them to other countries.

    And in exporting Civil War to Vietnam you killed three million Vietnamese in a war even your Secretary of Defence, Robert McNamara, tells us was unnecessary and based on the lie of the Tonkin Gulf Incident.

    And Robert told us the Vietnam war was unnecessary with tears in his eyes, not for the three million he had a hand in killing, but for himself.

    And Robert also tells us you assassinated your ally, the President of South Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem. Even your allies aren't safe from you.

    And you tried to foment civil war here in 1975 by having our democratically elected Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam, dismissed from office, even though he had the full confidence of Parliament.

    And although this would be a cause for civil war in most countries, both side of Parliament came together and said no matter what the provocation we will not go to war against one another, for there is no blood on the wattle.

    And just recently you have regaled us with lies about weapons of mass destruction in order to foment civil war in Iraq to destroy upwards of one million Iraqis.

    You are not free. You live in paranoid fear of your own elected Government, and paranoid fear of your own allies, and paranoid fear of even each other, for you are armed to the teeth, one against the other.

    And we all know that paranoia is psychological preparation to attack.

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    We're paranoid, which is why we allow Muslim women to wear whatever they want, even after extremist Muslims blew up our World Trade Center.

    We're paranoid, which is why more people immigrate to America than any other nation in the world.

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    What you consider paranoia, we consider a healthy distrust of government. We don't bow before our legislature, endlessly singing their praises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    What you consider paranoia, we consider a healthy distrust of government. We don't bow before our legislature, endlessly singing their praises.
    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    I don't like this measure either, but now you're projecting racism, with a touch of paranoia to boot.
    Well, which one is it? Healthy paranoia, or just a touch too much paranoia?



    OP: Most fundamentalist religions like to keep women in their place so to speak. That's par for the course.

    I'm not sure making children go to school, is the same as forcing women to stop wearing garments. The burqa is alien to many of us. I won't pretend to understand it. I also don't think it's wise to make assumptions that you know best about a culture you're not even part of.

    What about the repercussions? What if their husbands get mad about the situation and take it out on them? Or respect them less? Or leave them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Well, which one is it? Healthy paranoia, or just a touch too much paranoia?
    I'll take you over people like Victor any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagleseven View Post
    We're paranoid, which is why we allow Muslim women to wear whatever they want, even after extremist Muslims blew up our World Trade Center.

    We're paranoid, which is why more people immigrate to America than any other nation in the world.

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    What you consider paranoia, we consider a healthy distrust of government. We don't bow before our legislature, endlessly singing their praises.
    Quite simply: we're paranoid because if we begin going after women in burqas, it will end with going after us.

    But, Victor, Victor, surely no one would ever go after you. You're the victor, and winners make history...
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    The burqa is a symbol of religious extremism, not Islam.

    We already have laws dictating how people must dress in public. Banning the burqa does not extend the government's reach.

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