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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Why?
    He's probably one of those people who thinks that Europe is actually more tolerant than the US, when they're really only more tolerant in rhetoric (and less tolerant in action).
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    The constitution and bill of rights are like secular holy writ to most Americans
    We have just had a long public enquiry and a long public debate and rejected a bill of rights, for we find our democratically elected parliament protects our rights better than the unelected judiciary.

    We also reject revolution, civil war, guns and a Presidency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    He's probably one of those people who thinks that Europe is actually more tolerant than the US, when they're really only more tolerant in rhetoric (and less tolerant in action).
    No, not really. I don't know about Western Europe but US is certainly more tolerant than Eastern Europe in matters of culture, race and religion.


    If someone is to wear burka here there are pretty good odds that the goverment would interfere in some way. If nothing the female rights movement would make a big fuss out of this.
    Beating the crap out of husband is something they might do as well.


    I said what I said exactly because this level of tolerance is a little bit foreign to me.

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    It seems strange that Victor complains of the women who cover themselves in religious belief and not of the women who cover themselves in simple shame of their bodies.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    It seems strange that Victor complains of the women who cover themselves in religious belief and not of the women who cover themselves in simple shame of their bodies.

    Well the second group has no real political background while ..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Well the second group has no real political background while ..............
    these women also don't tend to speak in public, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    However, isn't it also a bad thing to force women NOT to wear it? How is that feminist? You're still forcing women to do something that they might not want to do.
    What if a battered woman wants to stay with her attacker? What if a drug addict want to continue with the habit? What if a woman does not want to get an education?

    Wanting something does not automatically make it "right".

    And consider the fact that most people on this thread who are opposed to the burqa are men, and, unless I read incorrectly, either every or almost every woman who's posted here has spoken about a woman's right to wear what she wants.
    It's not a given that the person most affected by a situation would be in the best position to express an objective opinion about it. It is quite possible that a detached observer's perspective would be more accurate.

    If you don't like a position, you need to present rational arguments against it. Isn't it sexist to devalue an point of view simply because it was expressed by the wrong gender?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    What if a battered woman wants to stay with her attacker? What if a drug addict want to continue with the habit? What if a woman does not want to get an education?

    Wanting something does not automatically make it "right".



    It's not a given that the person most affected by a situation would be in the best position to express an objective opinion about it. It is quite possible that a detached observer's perspective would be more accurate.

    If you don't like a position, you need to present rational arguments against it. Isn't it sexist to devalue an point of view simply because it was expressed by the wrong gender?
    And children are forced to go to school by law. If children wanted to go to school there would have been no reason to pass legislation to force them to go to school.

    Of course children do not know the enormous advantages education will give them - but their parents and legislators do.

    And its the same here. We have school children who have no idea what is good for them or even how to behave. And they are the most vociferous, calling out for control by an adult. And lucky for them, middle aged mothers hear their call and meet their needs. That is why this is such a tolerant and well run site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And children are forced to go to school by law. If children wanted to go to school there would have been no reason to pass legislation to force them to go to school.

    Of course children do not know the enormous advantages education will give them - but their parents and legislators do.

    And its the same here. We have school children who have no idea what is good for them or even how to behave. And they are the most vociferous, calling out for control by an adult. And lucky for them, middle aged mothers hear their call and meet their needs. That is why this is such a tolerant and well run site.
    In America, we do not force Amish children to go to school past the 8th grade as we do everyone else. This is because the Amish take care of their own and their children will not become burdens of the state. The state doesn't care about the advantages of education, only that their investment on you in your childhood makes it so you do not rely on them in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    It seems strange that Victor complains of the women who cover themselves in religious belief and not of the women who cover themselves in simple shame of their bodies.
    Perhaps Australia needs a bill of rights?

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