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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    Dude, yes we all know that you don't like Lark. Can you please stop your snarky little comments and sort it out with him one-on-one. It's getting annoying.
    Nah, keep on going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    One thing we notice is that you are paranoid about the people you freely elect.

    We do regard this as paranoia - an unreasonable fear.

    Most people around the world would love to have a freely elected government.

    And yet you have it, and you can change your government at the next election, but still you titillate yourselves with paranoia.
    Obviously, you don't have a clear comprehension of how our system works.

    Most Europeans I've met are highly cynical and skeptical of their governments. We most certainly can use a healthy dose of that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    Dude, yes we all know that you don't like Lark. Can you please stop your snarky little comments and sort it out with him one-on-one. It's getting annoying.
    You mean you dont have him on ignore already?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Obviously, you don't have a clear comprehension of how our system works.

    Most Europeans I've met are highly cynical and skeptical of their governments. We most certainly can use a healthy dose of that here.
    That's a strange development, if it is indeed the case that there is greater cynicism and skepticism in Europe than America then early welfare statist views that paternalism would increase legitimacy have been ill conceived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Free Speech has absolutely nothing to do with civility. Language and communicative behavior today, might be influenced by technology.

    i.e. We tend to say shit through a text medium that we wouldn't say to someone's face.

    Well unless of course, you happen to be Dick Cheney, or *insert politician or media personality of choice here.*
    This is a good point and close to what I was trying to discuss.

    Although I cant help but believe that great defenders of freedom and free speech hadnt in mind what it has become and how it has been used and abused since. Is it not somehow wrong that this happens?

    That the sacrifices of life and limb in opposing totalitarianism is invoked when people with low emotional IQ are squealing like attention starved children? Hmm, that's not right...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sLiPpY View Post
    Most Europeans I've met are highly cynical and skeptical of their governments. We most certainly can use a healthy dose of that here.
    I'm not European and my Continent is on the other side of the Earth.

    We are twenty-one million with nine parliaments under the Crown.

    We regularly change our governments as the situation requires.

    We support our government when they are in power, and we don't regard them with infantile paranoia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    This is a good point and close to what I was trying to discuss.

    Although I cant help but believe that great defenders of freedom and free speech hadnt in mind what it has become and how it has been used and abused since. Is it not somehow wrong that this happens?

    That the sacrifices of life and limb in opposing totalitarianism is invoked when people with low emotional IQ are squealing like attention starved children? Hmm, that's not right...
    Personal conduct has a long tradition, and off the top of my head...

    There were about 225 rules regarding civility and personal conduct passed down through hundreds of years...of European society. The founders would have been well aware of them, as is George Washington. His list is shorter, but based upon the tradition of the gentry.

    George Washington's Rules of Civility : The Colonial Williamsburg Official History Site

    It's a different world today. F*ck or be f*ck'd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    One thing we notice is that you are paranoid about the people you freely elect.

    We do regard this as paranoia - an unreasonable fear.

    Most people around the world would love to have a freely elected government.

    And yet you have it, and you can change your government at the next election, but still you titillate yourselves with paranoia.
    Victor, the USA lives under a two-party system. This is like a one-party system, only one of the parties is both the same.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Victor, the USA lives under a two-party system. This is like a one-party system, only one of the parties is both the same.
    The illusion of choice is kind of fun!

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    You could argue that the illusion of choice exists in all regimes not just the two party ones.

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