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    I received an email today, claiming that we're now entering dhimmitude.

    More of that change some people voted for? America wake up!

    There is a lot of information on which the public is simply not aware. This is intended to hopefully be educational for you.

    Word of the Day: Dhimmitude

    I had never heard the word until now---Type it into Google and start reading. .Pretty interesting.

    Dhimmitude is the Muslim system of controlling non-muslim populations conquered through jihad. Specifically, it is the TAXING of non-muslims in exchange for tolerating their presence AND as a coercive means of converting conquered remnants to Islam.

    The ObamaCare bill is the establishment of Dhimmitude and Sharia Muslim diktat in the United States . Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured. Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption based on this. How convenient. So I, being a Christian (along with my Jewish friends), will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of my assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because I refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance. Non-Muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize Muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

    Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the Muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to Islam. In this case, the incentive to convert to Islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ (or Yahweh) to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver. They say ignorance is bliss . . . so many will say, "Sure, I'll be a Muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes. Where do I sign, bro?"

    I recommend sending this post to your contacts. This is desperately important and people need to know about it - quickly. The Muslim population is exploding world-wide at a rate of over 4 times that among non-Muslims. Without positive action, future generations are doomed to Sharia Law.
    The saddest part of this whole episode is that the person who forwarded this message to me was my mother. I sent her a response, picking this message apart point by point. But I know she just believes I'm deceived by the devil. That's how it is with any fact that doesn't line up with her views...the devil is trying to deceive us.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    And I though my mother had wacky thoughts.

    This sort of thing is a class of political belief (well, it has just about every kind of social belief packed in there) that is simply beyond response. But then you said you picked apart without expecting results, so must know that.

    I have long been fascinated by how a person comes to think like that, and I've looked for some ideas on how to make a person stop thinking like that. Unfortunately I haven't turned much up on the latter.

    Nested delusions, how can they be untangled?
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    I'm looking for an answer, too. My whole family seems to be raving mad, politically, to my despair. Lateralus, you have my sympathies.

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    Oh man, health care in the US is communist, socialist and Islamist?

    Hard to imagine how awesome the guys were who drafted this piece of legislation to fit almost every single conservative pet peeve and hate.

    Is it gay too? Does anyone know if the gays win if everyone has health cover?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    And I though my mother had wacky thoughts.

    This sort of thing is a class of political belief (well, it has just about every kind of social belief packed in there) that is simply beyond response. But then you said you picked apart without expecting results, so must know that.

    I have long been fascinated by how a person comes to think like that, and I've looked for some ideas on how to make a person stop thinking like that. Unfortunately I haven't turned much up on the latter.

    Nested delusions, how can they be untangled?
    I've tried in past, without success. Now I'm not even convinced that it's a good idea. It could be psychologically damaging to shatter her entire world view. The things that confirm her views are true, things that do not are lies.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I've tried in past, without success. Now I'm not even convinced that it's a good idea. It could be psychologically damaging to shatter her entire world view. The things that confirm her views are true, things that do not are lies.
    Hmm. I'm not sure how old your mother is, but I assume she's at least middle-aged. I don't think I've seen someone's worldview ever undone at that age.

    My logic professor, as he told it, was born into a crazy devout, semi-apoclyptic Christian family, and for a time he believed it all. But as young as his mid-teens he came to realize it was all nonsense.

    The thing is, he was one of the most paranoid, cynical, pessimistic, and existentially insecure people I've ever encountered (though surprisingly very nice and an energtic individual). I suppose if undoing a delusional perception of the world in youth makes scars that deep, there's no telling what would happen to someone older (if it's even possible).

    It's too bad with family, of course. If it's some random schmoe you might be inclined to crack their minds. The personal elements don't get in the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I've tried in past, without success. Now I'm not even convinced that it's a good idea. It could be psychologically damaging to shatter her entire world view. The things that confirm her views are true, things that do not are lies.
    Just as surgeons never operate on members of their own family, and therapists never treat their own family, perhaps sons shouldn't attempt to shatter their mother's world view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    The thing is, he was one of the most paranoid, cynical, pessimistic, and existentially insecure people I've ever encountered (though surprisingly very nice and an energtic individual). I suppose if undoing a delusional perception of the world in youth makes scars that deep, there's no telling what would happen to someone older (if it's even possible).
    That's interesting but perhaps it wasnt the undoing of the earlier mindset that caused this so much as this was an underlying character which he couldnt erase, Bertrand Russell wrote about "protestant" and "catholic" athiests because he thought each had a specific character, bequethed by their faiths, even when they had abandoned faith in a God and afterlife.

    Eric Fromm makes similar points about social character which he thought was generated by the economy and culture, so in theory perhaps those traits were manifest in religion or afterward but more pervasive than either state of being?

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