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    I dunno, I read the new articles. Several things stood out.
    1. This seems to be the first incident of "abuse". There seems to be no history. There's usually history, if a couples been together that long. If there is a establish history, I will reconsider. (however I think that would have paraded through the media, if there was)
    2. Harold had signs of dementia. That one fact, makes every thing the county states stand on shakey ground. It has many, many implications, as I'm sure any one who has dealt with dementia will know.
    If there was an estabilished history of abuse, I can understand their actions, other wise....I wish the the people involved the same fate as poor Harold, to die alone, without a farmilar face for comfort.
    I think homosexuals should be able to marry. It really isn't any different from a childless heterosexual couple. The full kit and kaboodle of rights. I don't see what the big deal is. I really don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireyPheonix View Post
    I dunno, I read the new articles. Several things stood out.
    1. This seems to be the first incident of "abuse". There seems to be no history. There's usually history, if a couples been together that long. If there is a establish history, I will reconsider. (however I think that would have paraded through the media, if there was)
    2. Harold had signs of dementia. That one fact, makes every thing the county states stand on shakey ground. It has many, many implications, as I'm sure any one who has dealt with dementia will know.
    If there was an estabilished history of abuse, I can understand their actions, other wise....I wish the the people involved the same fate as poor Harold, to die alone, without a farmilar face for comfort.
    I think homosexuals should be able to marry. It really isn't any different from a childless heterosexual couple. The full kit and kaboodle of rights. I don't see what the big deal is. I really don't.
    If this was a heterosexual couple this wouldn't have happened unless there was strong evidence of abuse (something that would hold up in court), not just allegations. No one was ever charged in this case which leads me to believe the allegations lack merit.
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    Yes, I bear this in mind. Which why I pointed out the lack of historical evidence. The other thing to bear in mind is that some men with signs of dementia can become aggressive. I could easily see a small disagreement ending voliently, and some one breaking a hip. If this was the case, and Clay was wrongfully blamed for abuse instead of self defence, it makes this case doubly tragic. He was judged and tried without a jury. Health professional in the game SHOULD be aware of this.
    Also, if Harold was in a period of confusion, he could have quite easily made up stories, and told half truths, and still sound coherrent. Dementia is a cruel disease. It can make you say terrible things about loved ones. Again, Health professionals SHOULD be aware this.
    It also means thier aurgment is built on a house of cards, and they didn't look into things properly. To me, this is quite clearly neglience.
    Yes, I think you are right though...I don't understand the anti-gay agenda, but I believe it's there in this case. Although again the dementia complicates things a little bit, and muddies the waters. They still could have decided to place Harold in a home, but they came up with pretty flimsy reasoning here.
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    As an add-on, I don't think either side of this issue is very balanced in thier arguments, but I do Have reason to believe a grave injustice has occured here. For the county, not to claim Harold was unmanagable, and required specialised care speaks volumes to me. That would have been less debatable and a safer line of defense. It means Harold could have gone home after his hip was healed, and indeed there was some sort of agenda.
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