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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    It seems here a more glaring issue, though, because the rest of the graph appears to be done on a gradient from red to yellow, and then suddenly it jumps to blue. You would think that for increased accuracy the "most equal" countries would be in yellow-green to green, not suddenly BLUE.
    I honestly didn't pay a lot of attention to the map yet (except as a skim); and there's probably larger points to be made here than focusing on the color thing, but yes, typically (and if I were doing the map), i'd have used a gradual gradient (ROYGBIV) to better convey the data. This is one trick that is sometimes used to color (ha ha!) the data to support a particular stance; you know how that saying about "statistics" and "truth" goes, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    What? Where? What is my agenda? Most of the membership here is based in the US, yes? That's why I highlighted US data. The data for the UK is less than promising too, but I doubt anyone here much cares about that. Why can't you put your paranoia aside for a moment and just answer the question or get out of the thread?
    EDIT. This? This doesn't really mean anything to me. Perhaps you can explain the relevance?
    And it doesn't answer the question which was a response to lowtech's assertion that women are too nurturing for politics.
    You're quite transparent, given the thread title and your attitude in this thread. You want to portray the US in a negative light.

    You seem to have trouble with people who don't agree with you. You've already told people to shut up and get out of your thread. You seem more interested in preaching than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I honestly didn't pay a lot of attention to the map yet (except as a skim); and there's probably larger points to be made here than focusing on the color thing, but yes, typically (and if I were doing the map), i'd have used a gradual gradient (ROYGBIV) to better convey the data. This is one trick that is sometimes used to color (ha ha!) the data to support a particular stance; you know how that saying about "statistics" and "truth" goes, right?
    It's odd what people focus on. The only thing that stood out to me is that the grey regions aren't keyed - I'm guessing "no data available". I think you'd have to be pretty stupid to draw any conclusions based on colour alone. But sometimes, as you suggest, presentation is targeted at stupid/ignorant people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You lose all credibility with this post.

    Also, in case you didn't know this, New Zealand and the Philippines (both top ten) are not in Europe. South Africa and Sri Lanka also make the top twenty.
    The US has a migration rate of about 3 times the rate (per 1000 people) of any Scandinavian country, and the majority of those Scandinavian migrants are from other European countries. In the US, the majority of migrants are from nations like Mexico, China, India, and the Philippines.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You're quite transparent, given the thread title and your attitude in this thread. You want to portray the US in a negative light.

    You seem to have trouble with people who don't agree with you. You've already told people to shut up and get out of your thread. You seem more interested in preaching than anything else.
    You're wrong. Does it portray the US in a negative light? Nobody seems to care about anything other than the fact it's yellow. Maybe that's the problem (if there is one). I'm pretty much indifferent about US politics too. I'm discussing the UK stats elsewhere with a slightly more enlightened group of people.
    What am I preaching exactly? I haven't even stated a position. I was hoping the members of this board would be capable of engaging in a reasonable discussion of the issues, but yet again, I am disappointed. I have no problem with disagreement, just stick to the issues and stop second guessing my motives. You make yourself look small and paranoid and you're boring me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Maybe the marker slipped? I really don't see why colour matters. Move on.

    Do you think US politicians are held to higher standards of accountability than those in other democracies?

    Does it matter that women are not proportionally represented because of the way the existing system works?
    1.) Then why were you previously so eager to justify the inclusion of Pakistan into the color-coded group? If its simply a glaring printing error, that still doesn't change my original objection to the overall methodology of the study.

    2.) I think they are institutionally more accountable, yes. The remaining problematic areas (namely "gerrymandering" and possibly "voter fatigue") can be resolved within the existing political and electoral framework. As for whether other countries have electorates with generally higher standards regarding political performance, I don't know.

    3.) It matters (particularly as a tool of socialization), but not enough to implement a political/electoral system that limits institutional accountability and/or local control (that's my subjective opinion). In itself, it doesn't reveal much about aggregate gender equality compared to countries with different institutional frameworks.

    I hear Rwanda may have recently mandated that half of its Parliamentary seats go to women (I don't remember if it passed); I wonder how that will affect their standing relative to other countries?

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    I really don't see any gender gap in my workplace. I report to a male, but there are as many females as males at his level of management here. White-collar types at my level are an equally mixed bag.

    My own wife is a stay-at-home mom by choice; ironically enough, it's a choice that has cost us pretty big in the income department. Life would be easier for us if she'd get out and climb that corporate ladder.

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    Greenland. Equatorial Guinea. Congo (both of 'em). No stats.

    But it is reassuring that Papua New Guinea has comparatively more rights for wimmin than, say, Japan. Or Pakistan, Namibia, Tanzania and the US share a common base line.

    Even back in 2008.

    What tripe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    1.) Then why were you previously so eager to justify the inclusion of Pakistan into the color-coded group? If its simply a glaring printing error, that still doesn't change my original objection to the overall methodology of the study.
    Wut? I did nothing of the kind. And I struggle to understand what a printing error (or possibly a malicious wiki edit? for the conspiracy theorists!) has to do with the study's methodology.
    2.) I think they are institutionally more accountable, yes. The remaining problematic areas (namely "gerrymandering" and possibly "voter fatigue") can be resolved within the existing political and electoral framework. As for whether other countries have electorates with generally higher standards regarding political performance, I don't know.

    3.) It matters (particularly as a tool of socialization), but not enough to implement a political/electoral system that limits institutional accountability and/or local control (that's my subjective opinion). In itself, it doesn't reveal much about aggregate gender equality compared to countries with different institutional frameworks.

    I hear Rwanda may have recently mandated that half of its Parliamentary seats go to women (I don't remember if it passed); I wonder how that will affect their standing relative to other countries?
    Thanks for your input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You lose all credibility with this post.

    Also, in case you didn't know this, New Zealand and the Philippines (both top ten) are not in Europe. South Africa and Sri Lanka also make the top twenty.
    Where do you live? Have you visited the US?
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