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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    It's not a matter of xenophobia, it's a matter of comparing a bunch of homogeneous cultures to an extremely diverse one. We do things differently, if its not good enough we will get there in time, until then Europe can mind their own beeswax.
    You think the USA is "extremely diverse" compared to where, Europe? LOL. Let me guess, you don't own a passport, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    1.) I'm suggesting that the party leadership chooses the candidates, and mandates that a minimum percentage of them are women. The voters democratically choose a set of political elites running under a national party platform, but not representatives beholden to a specific constituency who must win votes on their own merits.
    That's true. Is this a reasonable policy or not? Would it work in the US? Why/why not?

    2.) I already highlighted one defective aspect of the study in question, and listed indicators illustrating why listing Pakistan and the United States in the same group in terms of gender equality is indicative of a defective and/or misleading study overall. Your protestations are more than a little ridiculous.
    Nope. Actually the map is from wikipedia, not a part of the original report. Sometimes graphical representations are helpful, sometimes less so. Says nothing about the methodology/findings of the study, which are sound. And it is you who are trying to mislead. Pakistan is ranked 132 - over 100 places below US. Do try to get your facts straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You think the USA is "extremely diverse". LOL. Let me guess, you don't own a passport, do you?
    Actually I do, and I have been all across the earth from the US, Canada, Mexico to Europe, China and Thailand and Egypt.

    Europe, especially Scandinavia isn't nearly as diverse as the US is. And before you start telling me I am from Texas, I live in Connecticut, just outside of New York, the most international city on the planet.

    Your scornful smug attitude has made me lose my appetite for talking to you, your thinly veiled anger towards the US is poison in your veins, grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    That's true. Is this a reasonable policy or not? Would it work in the US? Why/why not?
    For the first, it depends on one's priorities; if accountability is a huge priority, then no. If not, then the political elites might as well mandate that half the candidates be women, it doesn't make the system any less accountable and promotes gender equality norms.

    For the second, our political and electoral system make that impossible; the voters choose specific representatives and specific party candidates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    And it is you who are trying to mislead. Pakistan is ranked 132 - over 100 places below US. Do try to get your facts straight.
    Then why are they the same color (and its not a large color-set)? The image says the map is from the World Economic Forum, and you're the one who included it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Then why is it the same color?
    That graphical representation reminds me of the map that showed which countries had the death penalty over the ones that didn't. Of course instead of going state by state in the US we were just Red and evil like China, Iraq and most of Africa. Europe was again blue, those darling angels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    That graphical representation reminds me of the map that showed which countries had the death penalty over the ones that didn't. Of course instead of going state by state in the US we were just Red and evil like China, Iraq and most of Africa. Europe was again blue, those darling angels.
    The two maps are not really analogous; the death penalty is a specific, dichotomous variable. This map represents a multi-dimensional and largely subjective study. The death penalty map can be used in a deceptive or prejudicial fashion, but is not really misleading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Then why is it the same color?
    Maybe the marker slipped? I really don't see why colour matters. Move on.
    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    For the first, it depends on one's priorities; if accountability is a huge priority, then no. If not, then the political elites might as well mandate that half the candidates be women, it doesn't make the system any less accountable and promotes gender equality norms.

    For the second, our political and electoral system make that impossible; the voters choose specific representatives and specific party candidates.
    Do you think US politicians are held to higher standards of accountability than those in other democracies?
    Does it matter that women are not proportionally represented because of the way the existing system works?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    The two maps are not really analogous; the death penalty is a specific, dichotomous variable. This map represents a multi-dimensional and largely subjective study. The death penalty map can be used in a deceptive or prejudicial fashion, but is not really misleading.
    I didnt think it was misleading, but I saw the same reasoning put into that as I do into the one here. Its just dogma/propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Europe, especially Scandinavia isn't nearly as diverse as the US is.
    You lose all credibility with this post.

    Also, in case you didn't know this, New Zealand and the Philippines (both top ten) are not in Europe. South Africa and Sri Lanka also make the top twenty.
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