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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Are the Nordic countries at the top of the list because they have successful economies, or do they have successful economies because they are at the top of the list?
    I think they are at the top of the list because they are very homogeneous. I'm amazed at how often this aspect of society is overlooked or outright ignored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I study itself appears to be highly misleading and/or defective; one doesn't have to be a huge proponent of the United States to find something wrong with a study that links Pakistan in the same grouping as the United States in terms of gender equality.
    You don't think the World Economic Forum is a credible source? Feel free to point out the errors in methodology.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    According to the PDF:

    USA INDEX
    2006: .704
    2007: .700
    2008: .718
    2009: .717

    So apparently the US declined by .004 in 2007 from 2006, then leaped up a whopping .018 (!) the next year. The following year, is has only dropped .001 ... less than the decline a few years ago.

    True, then: Hard to tell if that means anything at all.
    Kinda beside the point. You're 31st- behind Lithuania, FFS!
    Also 2/3rds of the countries in the study are improving year on year. The US is in the third of those moving in the wrong direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Are women not interested in holding these positions in the US? If so, why? If not, what are the barriers?
    In addition to what I mentioned earlier (which I think is more important regarding differences between countries):

    Women who fit the "nurturing" stereotype generally don't like rough 'n' tumble campaigns, while women who don't fit the "nurturing" stereotype come across as bitches to both male and female voters. Which reason is more responsible? Your guess is as good as mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Kinda beside the point. You're 31st- behind Lithuania, FFS!
    I was comparing it to the title, which said the "gap widened," so I thought it relevant to note that the gap at least in the US scores might not signify anything at all internally... since that's what you I thought you were referring to.

    If we're going to focus on the international ranking instead, then certainly.

    I'd probably worry more after another year or two passes and things don't change. It's hard to establish a pattern over just a few years (since it seems to have been fluctuating), it could just be flux in how things are ranked, what questions are asked, influx in population... lots of noise. Hell, the economy has been throwing everything out of whack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    You don't think the World Economic Forum is a credible source? Feel free to point out the errors in methodology.
    You're appealing to authority now; do you think linking the United States in the same group as Pakistan is an indicator that something is wrong with the methodology, or not?
    Last edited by lowtech redneck; 03-30-2010 at 04:15 PM. Reason: forgot a word

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    In addition to what I mentioned earlier (which I think is more important regarding differences between countries):

    Women who fit the "nurturing" stereotype generally don't like rough 'n' tumble campaigns, while women who don't fit the "nurturing" stereotype come across as bitches to both male and female voters. Which reason is more responsible? Your guess is as good as mine.
    Why doesn't this happen in Scandinavia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    You're appealing to authority now;
    I'm not appealing to anything. I'm presenting some statistics and asking for responses to them.
    do you think linking the United States in the same group as Pakistan is an indicator that something is wrong with the methodology, or not?
    In and of itself? No.
    I think it's kind of damning. But I don't have any evidence to suggest that it is incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Well, true. This was the issue when they did the red/blue USA maps to signify democratic and republican strongholds in the 2000 and 2004 elections. An entire county could be colored red or blue, and yet a red county could just be signifying that the balance of the county was just 51% red vs 49% blue.

    (This is the same problem we've had with rating one's MBTI score -- e.g., just because you answer T for 95% of the questions vs F, it doesn't mean your T has a strength of 95%; you might still only be 51% T vs 49% F in terms of actual function strength, barely T at all.)
    It seems here a more glaring issue, though, because the rest of the graph appears to be done on a gradient from red to yellow, and then suddenly it jumps to blue. You would think that for increased accuracy the "most equal" countries would be in yellow-green to green, not suddenly BLUE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Why doesn't this happen in Scandinavia?
    Read my first post; the political and electoral system in Scandinavian countries make it easy for political elites so inclined to artificially manipulate the results. Sometimes its official (such as in Pakistan), and sometimes its due to party ideology (which might be the case in Scandinavia, I forget if any of those countries made it law).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Why doesn't this happen in Scandinavia?
    I see you completely ignored my response to this question. I'm starting to think your agenda is more important to you than truth.
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