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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    With all due respect, what are you 14? That's not a woman.
    Maybe you're content now that you're a part of an education system that seems to favour your gender (surprised no one has questioned the apparent bias against males - gender equality works both ways). But what happens when you graduate and you get a job where you're working beside a guy with the same (or fewer qualifications) who is earning 30% more? Still happy? How do you redress that without the right support systems and legislature? What about when he gets promoted above you because of his gender, still happy? Or maybe you leave to have a baby but struggle to get back into work because there just isn't any support for working mothers, still happy?
    Live a little, then tell me that I'm the one with the skewed perspective.
    That doesn't happen right after graduation, pay is basically equal at that point. The gap widens with age. There certainly are cases of blatant gender bias, but for the most part, women get paid less because pregnancy slows their career advancement. This is less of an issue in Europe, where they aren't having children at the replacement rate, but in the US, people have more children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    With all due respect, what are you 14? That's not a woman.
    Maybe you're content now that you're a part of an education system that seems to favour your gender (surprised no one has questioned the apparent bias against males - gender equality works both ways). But what happens when you graduate and you get a job where you're working beside a guy with the same (or fewer qualifications) who is earning 30% more? Still happy? How do you redress that without the right support systems and legislature? What about when he gets promoted above you because of his gender, still happy? Or maybe you leave to have a baby but struggle to get back into work because there just isn't any support for working mothers, still happy?
    Live a little, then tell me that I'm the one with the skewed perspective.
    Wow... resorting to an age attack? You don't even live here, so you don't have the perspective you feel she lacks because of her age.

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    It's not an attack. She's just young and inexperienced. Nothing wrong with that.
    Also. 1) I have and 2) I can read. Can you?

    When did you guys get so defensive? Was it post 9/11 or was it ever thus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, the alternative is the earth bankrputing us.
    No it really isn't. A lot of people have a huge misconception about our planet's population. The population of industrialized countries in no way endangers our planet.

    What is a danger is the amount of natural resources that the average person uses in an industrialized country. A gradual increase or decrease in population is not really going to affect this. What is going to change is that resources are going to run out and costs are going to go up for a variety of necessities. There are some scenarios where this process is less painful than others, but it's going to happen eventually regardless of what happens to population growth rates and demographics.
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    Young women in large US cities are actually starting to out-earn men.

    For Young Earners in Big City, a Gap in Womens Favor - NYTimes.com


    When we're talking about US gender disparity, we're really talking more about backwards rural America than urban.

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    Actually, the US is above average on every key measure, apart from political empowerment. It's below average on that. That reflects national as well as regional attitudes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Actually, the US is above average on every key measure, apart from political empowerment. It's below average on that. That reflects national as well as regional attitudes.
    That's the fault of American women. They can vote and are the majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    We're often compared to Europe in these sorts of studies, but I don't think that comparison is really fair. The US has far more immigration from poor countries than any European country (perhaps more than all European countries combined? I'm not sure). Those people tend to be more traditional (wife stays at home with the kids, etc).
    Wrong (as often)

    USA: 8 million immigrants from poor countries (2009)
    UE: 14.3 million immigrants from poor countries (2001)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Actually, the US is above average on every key measure, apart from political empowerment. It's below average on that. That reflects national as well as regional attitudes.
    In 2009 we had a record number of women in congress. And a woman currently leads the House of Representatives. And a woman is Sec. of State.

    So we're behind much of the developed world, but heading in a more equal direction, if we're going to be fair about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Wrong (as often)

    USA: 8 million immigrants from poor countries (2009)
    UE: 14.3 million immigrants from poor countries (2001)
    The only way this is true is you have some absurd definition of "poor", one that excludes Latin America. Regardless, "poor" was not the best word choice. I should have been more descriptive and said something like "less socially liberal" or "socially traditional" since that is a pretty common trait among poor nations, but I got lazy, thinking people would understand what I meant.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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