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    Hi there friends. I have taken some tests and have come to the conclusion that Left-Libertarian is my political standing. Can i get some insight on this topic (left-libertarian)? plz people politics is very important to me I want to make a difference someday.
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    Listen/Watch Bill Maher. Probably the most famous left leaning lib I can think of.

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    Ok I'll see what he's about I should have asked before, but are liberals and libertarians the same thing?
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    Nope, not at all. Libertarians typically want as little government control as possible, while a liberal would see the government as more benign. In Maher's case, he criticizes a lot of religious sanctioning/promotion in the government for example. He also wants to smoke weed without getting jail time for it. In a conservative lib's case though, they'd focus on heavy taxing or gun control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    Nope, not at all. Libertarians typically want as little government control as possible, while a liberal would see the government as more benign. In Maher's case, he criticizes a lot of religious sanctioning/promotion in the government for example. He also wants to smoke weed without getting jail time for it. In a conservative lib's case though, they'd focus on heavy taxing or gun control.
    Ok just making sure because I don't think I'm a liberal but if I want to ever really be listened to in the media someday that I should not take the total libertarian side but closer to liberal, if it is how you describe, so they don't think I just want anarchy (I should say if people weren't so mean and greedy would be a perfect society, much like communism except that's on the authoritarian side of the scale I would suspect) which I don't I just want a government that just does what they say they're going to do in literal terms, nothing more, nothing less. And we "really" get to vote on it.
    And ya I have noticed a while ago that almost all of our laws are based on the biblical commandments which I think is ridiculous (not to offend anyone I'm just stating my own opinion)
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    but if I want to ever really be listened to in the media someday that I should not take the total libertarian side but closer to liberal
    hah! altering one's point of view. you're a politician already ;D


    but you're right.. libertarians generally alarm or turn people off.

    i wouldn't say they're anarchists though. they just want a government with limited concerns. an anarchist is.... well, not all of them are bad either. the dalai lama is probably an anarchist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    hah! altering one's point of view. you're a politician already ;D
    Haha that's hilarious. I guess I was born to persuade or something, although I think I even altered my own view or something, can you elaborate on how I did?


    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    but you're right.. libertarians generally alarm or turn people off.
    Well almost every time I hear anything about "less government" it gets coupled with Republicans or Anarchy (one of the two) and thrown out the window because were a democrat society now I guess (I dont agree with the two party system which is really all it is these days).
    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I wouldn't say they're anarchists though. they just want a government with limited concerns. an anarchist is.... well, not all of them are bad either. the dalai lama is probably an anarchist.
    Well one of the tests actually had Gandhi and The Dalai Lama on the spectrum and I was a little more authoritarian then the Dalai but less then Gandhi and more left then dalai but less then Gandhi. So maybe I should be a profit or something? hah!
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    A lot of people who get the left libertarian result in those quizes are civil libertarians but would abhor fiscal libertarianism, either as a government policy or even in a single family.

    I generally find that some fiscal libertarians would be content with less civil liberties, at least for people who cant cope with social expectations or find work, and support even more stringent penalties or sanctions, perhaps enforced by private agencies instead of government. In that sense I'd see Tony Soprano or Sam Crow from the Biker TV show Sons of Anarchy to be the archetypal market libertarian. Although a lot of capitalists would disagree and suggest crime or anti-social behaviour would melt away the way that old trotskyists used to suggest the state would in a "true socialist" society. Naive optimism.

    On the other hand left libertarians havent really discovered or maintained successfully alternatives to the state regulation of the economy a consistent libertarian would oppose.

    I used to support a lot of libertarian ideas when I was younger, in the main they are appealing but as I've grown up I think they could create more unnecessary suffering than already exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    A lot of people who get the left libertarian result in those quizes are civil libertarians but would abhor fiscal libertarianism, either as a government policy or even in a single family.

    I generally find that some fiscal libertarians would be content with less civil liberties, at least for people who cant cope with social expectations or find work, and support even more stringent penalties or sanctions, perhaps enforced by private agencies instead of government. In that sense I'd see Tony Soprano or Sam Crow from the Biker TV show Sons of Anarchy to be the archetypal market libertarian. Although a lot of capitalists would disagree and suggest crime or anti-social behaviour would melt away the way that old trotskyists used to suggest the state would in a "true socialist" society. Naive optimism.

    On the other hand left libertarians havent really discovered or maintained successfully alternatives to the state regulation of the economy a consistent libertarian would oppose.

    I used to support a lot of libertarian ideas when I was younger, in the main they are appealing but as I've grown up I think they could create more unnecessary suffering than already exists.

    I highly doubt that you know many libertarians in person, otherwise you wouldn't make such injudicious statements. "(C)rime would melt away?" Seriously? And how can one be a libertarian without the civil liberties side of the coin? I know some libertarians are personally very conservative people, but they still argue for freedom from government intervention in their personal lives. If you are for free market capitalism, but content with fewer civil liberties, then you are NOT a libertarian. "Small-government conservative" is really not even apt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I highly doubt that you know many libertarians in person, otherwise you wouldn't make such injudicious statements. "(C)rime would melt away?" Seriously? And how can one be a libertarian without the civil liberties side of the coin? I know some libertarians are personally very conservative people, but they still argue for freedom from government intervention in their personal lives.
    When I read this I was thinking "Then they're just trying to appeal to Libertarians and they're not actually ones themselves" But then I read this last third of the post..
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    If you are for free market capitalism, but content with fewer civil liberties, then you are NOT a libertarian. "Small-government conservative" is really not even apt.
    And I was actually excited that somebody besides me realizes this, Because that is the stand (I think, but I'm not an expert and I usually stop listening when I hear politicians say those things. so I can not be sure which ones exactly) of a lot of Republicans, they will say they're for total freedoms, but only freedoms for businesses, and only enough freedoms for the people working for them so they, i.e. the Sheeple, can feel free.
    P.S. I'm sorry if I'm undermining anybody's lifestyle or work ethic, I'm just not brainwashed lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I used to support a lot of libertarian ideas when I was younger, in the main they are appealing but as I've grown up I think they could create more unnecessary suffering than already exists.
    IDK, but by the way you describe libertarians, it seems you have more of a right-sided view of it which is a very different thing then the Left-sided view. And yes we could argue day and night about suffering, but I cant see how suffering would be worse, ya maybe for us people in the U.S. but only until everyone has what they want (and the idea that people can never have enough is caused by the present way of life might I add) I believe everyone would just mind their own business.

    It is childish I know, but how less childish is it to have a style of government that does things just because they want to? Or to have the government sector (the people who make the laws, we don't) live lives that border the lifestyle of anarchy?
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