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    Quote Originally Posted by olly_olly View Post
    Hahaha too bad I don't own a business to hire you on that enthusiasm lol. I would agree with you, but the main differences between left and right (economy mostly) were not very integrated into the test. I did like the insightful read though and I sure would like for free markets to work but they just don't. People need to be the ones controlling the market and in free-markets it's always the business owners controlling it.
    Good short criticism of the right wing on market forces.

    Just before someone chimes in with the bit about consumer sovereignty I'll say its a myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Good short criticism of the right wing on market forces.

    Just before someone chimes in with the bit about consumer sovereignty I'll say its a myth.
    Can you please explain why it won't ever work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by olly_olly View Post
    Can you please explain why it won't ever work?
    What's that now? Consumer sovereignty or market forces?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gewitter27 View Post
    Anyway, Left-Libertarians are equatable to hippies. But they are near the far corner of it, so it isn't much of an example.

    Really? thats a hilarious generalization. I have never been likened to a hippy befor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Bakunin was more of an anti-clerical than anti-statist figure, the state didnt really exist in the modern sense, if you want to read a good collection of his writings check out anything edited by GP Maximoff. Maximoff is good himself but he was only really a pamphleteer besides one book which as an attack on the bolsheviks as the new bonapartists "The Guillotine at work".
    I know Bakunin focused a lot on the idea of God as the basis for the oppressive state, which is the theme for his most famous book, of which I've only glanced through.

    I can understand Marx's enthusiasm and frustration with Proudhon though, he was a pacey writer, a lot of his books were real page turners but at the same time, while enjoyable, they dont really form a coherent, consistent whole. I'm not sure Marx does either but he tried harder.
    Proudhon certainly was not a coherent writer, but then again I think systematic thinking such as Marx's is highly overrated anyways. A writer can still dwell insightfully on many issues without developing some complex intellectual system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Really? thats a hilarious generalization. I have never been likened to a hippy befor.
    That's because they're far to the corner. That's why I said that they aren't much as an example.

    Hmm...

    Another example would be MLK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What's that now? Consumer sovereignty or market forces?
    Consumer Sovereignty Please (I'm not trying to argue here Lark, I just want peoples thoughts of why it wouldn't work and nobody has to keep posting if they don't want to lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gewitter27 View Post
    That's because they're far to the corner. That's why I said that they aren't much as an example.

    Hmm...

    Another example would be MLK.
    What is MLK?
    Oh, Martin Luther King?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gewitter27 View Post
    I'm Right-Libertarian and proud.
    That's awesome for you! Can I [fold your towels]?

    Anyway, Left-Libertarians are equatable to hippies. But they are near the far corner of it, so it isn't much of an example.
    I'm a left lib, I love guns, meat, punk rock and hate white folks with dreadlocks, but hey...if such bullshit dichotomous thinking makes you happy, don't let me stop you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Bakunin was more of an anti-clerical than anti-statist figure, the state didnt really exist in the modern sense,
    Please explain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Could be a Mutualist, thus be in favor of free markets and be against capitalism at the same time.
    Yup!

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    Are you familiar with Kropotkin?
    Hey, you dropped a name!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Some Guy View Post
    Hey, you dropped a name!
    Uh, yeah. I asked a guy who has forgotten more about European political philosophy than you or I have probably ever learned about a Russian writer I was just reading about recently. What a craven name-drop.
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