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    Default Free Speech under assault in Latin America


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    While they may seem superficially similar if you take a distant glance, Bolivia and Venezuala are rather different situations, and Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez are rather different leaders.
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    Radical left governments tend to do that. Blame Stalin for turning socialist states into fascist states.

    I wouldn't particularly care, myself, except I don't support those governments. They're not much for economic management, and they anger the giant living North of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    While they may seem superficially similar if you take a distant glance, Bolivia and Venezuala are rather different situations, and Evo Morales and Hugo Chavez are rather different leaders.
    As are Correa and Chavez; their similarities are still evident. Morales has also praised Cuba on the one hand while systematically eliminating all institutional checks and balances on the domestic front. Unlike, say, Brazil's Silva, Morales has not been evolving toward a social-democratic position in either words or actions.

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    Heh-- right-wing Americans ignore the torture and murder of thousands of labor union leaders, environmental activists, political dissidents, and even elected leaders for the last several decades under right-wing and US-aligned governments in Latin America, and continuing to this very day (hundreds of such killings in Mexico, Guatemala, and Colombia in the past year alone)-- but Chavez throws a couple of people in jail and all of a sudden they're oh so concerned about free speech and human rights in Latin America.

    Yeah, political repression is horrible, unless those responsible for the repression are friends of the US government and US-based multinational corporations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Unlike, say, Brazil's Silva, Morales has not been evolving toward a social-democratic position in either words or actions.
    Translation:

    Lula has taken neoliberal positions friendly to capital, while Morales has taken socialist positions friendly to labor, therefore Lula good, Morales evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Radical left governments tend to do that. Blame Stalin for turning socialist states into fascist states.
    Eh, I'll blame Lenin for turning revolutionary socialist movements towards statism.

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    Free Speech under assault in Latin America
    When hasn't this been true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Some Guy View Post
    Heh-- right-wing Americans ignore the torture and murder of thousands of labor union leaders, environmental activists, political dissidents, and even elected leaders for the last several decades under right-wing and US-aligned governments in Latin America, and continuing to this very day (hundreds of such killings in Mexico, Guatemala, and Colombia in the past year alone)-- but Chavez throws a couple of people in jail and all of a sudden they're oh so concerned about free speech and human rights in Latin America.

    Yeah, political repression is horrible, unless those responsible for the repression are friends of the US government and US-based multinational corporations.

    Wow, you are a poor example of a Philadelphian on these boards. Are all of your posts going to be as fallacious as this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    When hasn't this been true?
    The Latin American culture is so expressive that it seems to be almost a paradox that they have so much "legal"/political limitation on their speech.

    Castro although far from being the first "left wing" dictator to punish free speech nevertheless set one of the most strongest precedents in the region which reverberates to this day.

    Both right wing and left wing have unclean hands as to individual civil liberties, particularly those related to speech, in this region. Two wrongs don't make a right and this is one of the reasons I subscribe to both left and right wing publications as they are best at exposing each others dirty work(athouth fact/rehetoric check and relative equity balancing is an additional step I have to take on my own) .
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