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    With fee for service, there is an incentive (profit) to perform tests and procedures that do not necessarily benefit the patient.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Going back to underemployment and obamacare; 4 out of 10 of the underemployed have no health insurance. They stand to benefit the most from the expansion in coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Going back to underemployment and obamacare; 4 out of 10 of the underemployed have no health insurance. They stand to benefit the most from the expansion in coverage.
    Not if its at the expense of their employment, and leads to stagflation to boot, they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    With fee for service, there is an incentive (profit) to perform tests and procedures that do not necessarily benefit the patient.
    You do realize, of course, that in any system where the patient does not pay for most of his health care costs directly, he has no incentive to keep costs down. The system we have now is identical to the system we will have under Obamacare in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    "But the intentions are so good
    The Road to Serfdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is paved with good intentions...

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    The average person is a hypochondriac. The system must take this into account somehow.
    "If you would convince a man that he does wrong, do right. But do not care to convince him. Men will believe what they see. Let them see."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Well, the rationale is that a wider insurance pool would dilute insurance costs among more people. Remember, people are not being made to buy more healthcare.
    People being made to buy more healthcare is a crucial lynchpin of Obamacare. A large segment of the uninsured are healthy Americans ages 18-35 who choose not to buy health insurance--or who choose to buy very high deductible plans--because they believe the chances of them needing to pay massive medical bills soon are outweighed by the money they'd save...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunes View Post
    The average person is a hypochondriac. The system must take this into account somehow.
    It doesn't. The devices intended to control costs in this bill are batty and have historical precedent for never working--things like Nixonian price controls...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Costs are already going through the roof. Health care demand is inelastic.
    Health care demand is in fact highly elastic, in multiple different ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chunes View Post
    The average person is a hypochondriac. The system must take this into account somehow.
    Studies show only 4 to 20 percent of primary care patients have hypochondriasis. Source: "Hypochondriasis: A Fresh Outlook on Treatment", Article in the Psychiatric Times. Most people are not hypchondriacs.

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