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    Do you think that politics can be conducted in the abscence of ideology? Is it a game of horse trading and trade offs between the representatives of constitutents, lobbyists and special interests?

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    From what I have noticed, at least in recent times.
    Politicians motivated by and for ideology don't get elected.
    Those motivated by gaining power appear far more likely to be elected.

    I believe politicians motivated for power will put all their efforts to convince the people to vote for them. While ideologists will at best try to make their ideology convincing. Or sometimes, when it doesn't work, they will dilute their message, but it usually isn't enough.
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    I think the purpose of ideology is to maintain your current base. For example talk radio tends to be very ideological, and it tends to make avid supporters even more avid. On the other hand people on the fence tend to get turned off by ideology.
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    Would you agree that there are more people on the fence than avid supporters?
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    Yes, politics can be conducted in the absence of ideology, but it's easier for politicians to get votes by appealing to an ideology. I hope that as baby boomers die off, this appeal to ideology will become less effective (younger generations are more desensitized and turned off by advertising/public relations/etc). But that's probably wishful thinking.
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    I think since about 1963 we've had more idiotology vs ideology in politics.

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    What do you propose as an alternative to ideology?
    It seems to me that the main alternative we see at the moment is plain demagogy, pandering to the lower instincts of the people.

    Do you think it is possible to have a system that is purely driven to pragmatic problem solving without an ideology to direct what problems be solved first, what is a problem in the first place...

    I am really interested in possible non-demagogic alternatives to ideology driven politics.
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    It's actually the empty vessel politician that is most corruptible.

    No ideology, no principles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you think that politics can be conducted in the abscence of ideology?
    Sure. People have competing interests along with interest in constructive cooperation, right? Hence politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Sure. People have competing interests along with interest in constructive cooperation, right? Hence politics.
    Considering ideology is a system that consistently chooses which of the competing interests should be given priority.
    What is the alternative to decide which of the interests should be prioritised?

    Sometimes I think that if we were ruled by a robot that could weighth the importance of interests in accordance to the positive repercutions of their prioritisation, ruling would be more reliable.
    But even then, who decides what is a positive repercution?
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