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    I am not a big fan of how this plan will be implemented. I am a fan of the idea of universal healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis View Post
    I am not a big fan of how this plan will be implemented. I am a fan of the idea of universal healthcare.
    I noticed that when media outlets do polls on how many people oppose the healthcare bill, none of them distinguish the people that don't think the bill went far enough, or done publicly enough, etc. Basically, that it wasn't left-wing enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I'm an American and therefore relatively free from dependence upon political patrons;
    C'mon, you have two Parties of business. You have no social democratic party.

    Effectively you are a One Party State funded by business.

    And rather than being free from dependence upon political patrons, you are dependent on the patronage of business.

    After all, the business of America is business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, you have two Parties of business. You have no social democratic party.

    Effectively you are a One Party State funded by business.

    And rather than being free from dependence upon political patrons, you are dependent on the patronage of business.

    After all, the business of America is business.
    WTF - Victor actually makes a point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    C'mon, you have two Parties of business. You have no social democratic party.

    Effectively you are a One Party State funded by business.

    And rather than being free from dependence upon political patrons, you are dependent on the patronage of business.

    After all, the business of America is business.
    Plutocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    WTF - Victor actually makes a point?
    OH NO IT IS A TRUE SIGN OF THE APOCALYPSE EVERYONE GET TO THE BUNKER!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I noticed that when media outlets do polls on how many people oppose the healthcare bill, none of them distinguish the people that don't think the bill went far enough, or done publicly enough, etc. Basically, that it wasn't left-wing enough.
    Distinguish amongst the nay-sayers? Nah... there's no such thing as true accuracy with traditional media outlets' polls.

    I'm not a fan of anyone over a certain salary bracket (combined household income) having to sacrifice their hard-earned cash by up to 50% to help pay for this bill.

    The government needs to figure out another method for implementation that doesn't involve "punishing" a large segment of the population for their grand ideals.

    I need to research more into this bill before arguing more in detail, but that's my initial opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    WTF - Victor actually makes a point?
    I went "WOW " too.
    Yikers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    OH NO IT IS A TRUE SIGN OF THE APOCALYPSE EVERYONE GET TO THE BUNKER!!!
    Yeah I know, I'm scared too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    I'm an American and therefore relatively free from dependence upon political patrons; hear me roar!

    This educational opportunity goes both ways; I hope you better understand the American aversion to the Canadian health system and its relation to the American world-view now
    If you believe that, it's an uninformed viewpoint. It's money that makes the world go 'round, and the ones who best fund their political party of choice are the ones who get what they want in the end. Just another form of patronage, my friend!

    And no, I guess I can't say I understand better; what I hear you (and others) saying is that you just don't think the government has the right to tell you what to do. I certainly can respect that.

    You have to understand I grew up in a world where going to the doctor was a privilege that thankfully didn't bankrupt ... anyone. So it does make it much harder to see why there isn't more impetus to find the best solution to the health care issues at hand.
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