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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    So, are you saying you don't want to live in America?

    Boat leaves in a few hours, dude. Hop on.
    When Americans come here, they think they are coming to a little America. So they come with a sense of entitlement.

    But all they get is culture shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    When Americans come here, they think they are coming to a little America. So they come with a sense of entitlement.

    But all they get is culture shock.
    I think that's your fault, Victor.
    -Carefully taking sips from the Fire Hose of Knowledge

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    And again, not-for-profit health care.
    Yeah, free enterprise is immoral, not like Communist dictatorships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Yeah, free enterprise is immoral, not like Communist dictatorships.
    Churches are also not-for-profit...
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Anyone who posted above me is stupid.

    And below.

    Exception to Halla who made a rockin' post... which everyone else ignored because they have nothing to say when they get slapped in the face with the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Churches are also not-for-profit...
    Which they choose to be.

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    Incidentally, the first exposure of this fraud comes in April. Here's a batty ENTP. Of course, he's wrong about the media making a big stink about this--they won't, for the most part...


    March 20, 2010
    Why Democrats Are Doomed if ObamaCare Passes
    By Dick Morris

    If the House Democratic majority passes Obama's health care proposals, one of two things will happen by Election Day, 2010 -- and neither one will be healthy for the Democrats seeking re-election.

    Either the Medicare cuts will take effect or they will be postponed by a terrified Congress.


    If they take effect, physicians' fees will be slashed 21 percent and hospital reimbursements for Medicare patients will be cut by $1.3 billion. Tens of thousands of doctors and thousands of health care institutions -- hospitals, hospices, outpatient clinics and such -- will refuse to treat Medicare patients.

    Entire cities will be without one doctor in important specialties who will take care of the elderly on Medicare. Particularly in fields like G.I. care or arthritic and joint pain, doctors will simply refuse to accept the low reimbursement rates they are being offered and hospitals will refuse all but emergency care to Medicare patients. In effect, the elderly will experience a doctors' strike against Medicare patients.

    Congress, faced with this massive revolt coming right on the verge of the election, may back down and postpone the cuts. Originally, doctor reimbursement rates were scheduled to drop on March 1 of this year, but Congress postponed it until the fall. Now the Democrats in Congress will face not only cuts in doctors' fees but in all forms of Medicare reimbursement -- the so-called "market basket" of cuts programmed into Obamacare.

    Congress, being Congress, will probably seek to postpone the cuts until after Election Day. But in doing so, they would expose the deficit-reduction and cost-containment features of Obama's bill for the fraud that they are. The news media headlines would blare that Congress just voted to add tens or hundreds of billions to the deficit, and the big-spending, high-borrowing image of Congress will worsen. All pretense that Obamacare is not a reckless spending bill will be stripped away, and we will be face to face with the reality that it will add hugely to the deficit.
    All this will come at precisely the time that House and Senate Democrats are scrambling to rebut the attacks of their Republican challengers over these very issues. If Congress votes to postpone the Medicare cuts, as a former secretary of health and human services predicted to me, they will have to answer for their fiscal irresponsibility right before the election.

    Either poison -- the cuts or the deficit -- will be enough to eradicate an entire generation of House and Senate Democrats.

    And these cuts will take place against a backdrop of continuing increases in health insurance premiums, no expansion of coverage (it doesn't kick in until 2013) and no tangible benefit from the Obama bill.

    This is the prospect the House and Senate Democrats who vote for Obamacare will face in the fall of 2010. This is the record they will have to defend.

    Or, they could save their political lives and vote no.
    Morris, a former political adviser to Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) and President Bill Clinton, is the author of "Outrage." To get all of Dick Morriss and Eileen McGanns columns for free by email, go to DickMorris.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Which they choose to be.
    Actually, they claim that status so they don't have to pay taxes (something any business would do if it could). Many churches earn massive profit.

    That said, this is not a case of having one extreme or the other. There are numerous examples of successful cooperatives in the US. The one-liners about communist dictatorships, socialism, etc. are really old. They're so overused they have no meaning anymore.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The one-liners about communist dictatorships, socialism, etc. are really old. They're so overused they have no meaning anymore.
    The casual demonization of entrepreneurs is also really old, and I wasn't the one putting forth Cuba in a positive light in contrast to the United States, using the absence of free enterprise in the former as the basis for doing so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    The casual demonization of entrepreneurs is also really old, and I wasn't the one putting forth Cuba in a positive light in contrast to the United States, using the absence of free enterprise in the former as the basis for doing so.
    The casual demonization of egomaniacs is really old, because no one likes those pricks, since they're selfish and refuse to share with others. Entrepreneurs happen to be a particularly odious form of egomaniac.

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