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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Yes, I live under universal health care and I couldn't be happier.

    I have free access to my General Practitioner five days a week, with no waiting time.

    I receive the best in Specialist care. My pharmaceuticals are subsidised, along with spectacles, dentistry, psychologist and physiotherapy.

    I am well treated at all times and enjoy my interactions with the health system.
    Who truthfully enjoys going to the damn doctor? I hate going to the doctor.

    I never understand people's fascination with medical dramas either. Believe me, if you get sick or if someone close to you does, you'll get a bellyfull of the glory of the medical scene.

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    i think its BS that nationalized health care is the only benefit.

    Someone is going to make a grip of money from this. And its not just lobbyists. I just wonder who its gonna be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Actually, most elected representatives of government in liberal democracies across the globe do not operate in the context of single-member districts, making centralized corporatist oligarchies all but inevitable. Be that as it may, comparative politics literature consistently depicts political parties within Canada as much more "disciplined" (don't you love euphemisms?) than is the case within the United States. I suppose extremely specific philosophical agreement with the rest of the party combined with an apparent lack of regional, much less district-based differentiation in aggregate constituent opinion is certainly one theoretically possible explanation for this phenomenon, but I'm doubtful.

    And my use of the term "fear" has nothing to do with portraying Canadian institutions in a negative light; its another term for "accountability," and its the reason so many Democrats did not wish to support the recent Health-care bill.
    I am going to try to address the following:

    apparent lack of regional, much less district-based differentiation in aggregate constituent opinion
    IMO there is a great deal of district-based representation in Canada.

    Canada has three tiers of elected government: municipal, provincial and federal. Municipal government is not party-based; provincial and federal are. But, they are separate - the federal Liberal party is not a part of the provincial one (& vice-versa). Each has individual, separate, elected leadership, and that leadership is nominated from within the party membership. All three levels of government are regionally-based; meaning that geography determines the boundaries of each elected officials' constituency. My member of parliament has an office within close proximity to my house, and is elected by the people who live near and around me, not elsewhere. I can pop over to their office, make an appointment and chat with him or her if I so choose.

    Seats in government are certainly lost for not making a constituency happy, regardless of what party is popular or has the majority in parliament at the time. There's a high expectation of individual accountability in the eyes of the public.

    I don't think the Canadian electoral system is perfect (that's a whole other topic beyond the scope of both this thread and post), but elected officials are ideally supposed to represent the personal interests of the people who voted them into office. And since your member of parliament is often your neighbour, and not someone who lives 1000 miles away, it's very easy to "get in their face" as it were and have your concerns heard. If you vote someone in and they do little more than "toe the party line" I can pretty much guarantee you they won't win a second election.

    Does that help? I can only relate my personal experience with Canada's electoral system, but I have seen the dynamics at play and there are very often times when people are elected, not parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Who truthfully enjoys going to the damn doctor? I hate going to the doctor.

    I never understand people's fascination with medical dramas either. Believe me, if you get sick or if someone close to you does, you'll get a bellyfull of the glory of the medical scene.
    Victor enjoys it, Victor is inhuman, remember.
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    I remember on my orchestra trip to Toronto last year, I heard someone say "it's like here, only better."

    I don't know, I couldn't help but notice that there was so much more litter there than here, though.
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    I don't know about you, but here people adopt highways. When they do, they don't take the highway home, no; they get a sweet little blue sign with a yellow flower on it with the name of the organization or family in white letters. You see the signs all over the place -- and it's the responsibility of the organization or family who has adopted the road to keep it clean.

    And keep it clean they do. Well, not of cracks and potholes, that's the government's job. But as we drive over the rickety asphalt we see how wonderful the side of the road looks. I just did not see this where I went to in Canada. It must have been striking, because that's what I remember about it.

    Maybe, someday, someone will adopt me despite my potholes and illness. Then again, in some other states, I hear they still get convicts to clean the roads, and I also hear they can't deny you health care in prison...
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    Toronto can look a bit grungy after the winter, I'll grant you that. There are lots of "green-volunteers" who go around on spring clean-ups and help make the city all pretty again.

    Where did you visit when you were in Toronto?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Toronto can look a bit grungy after the winter, I'll grant you that. There are lots of "green-volunteers" who go around on spring clean-ups and help make the city all pretty again.

    Where did you visit when you were in Toronto?
    This wasn't in the winter, this was in April, late April, even. I barely wore a coat.

    I don't know where I visited, exactly. We just went wherever the bus took us.
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    ^ ah well, after the winter then. When you visited, that is the grungy time.

    No leaves on trees yet (or just starting), grass starting to green up.

    AND lots of doctors in Toronto! Health care very prevalent (*weak attempt to re-rail thread!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    ^ ah well, after the winter then. When you visited, that is the grungy time.

    No leaves on trees yet, grass starting to green up.

    AND lots of doctors in Toronto! Health care very prevalent (*weak attempt to re-rail thread!)
    You seem to be missing my point, but ah well.

    I've heard it's pretty bad in Toronto. Only in outside Ontario does it actually work.
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