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    Lightbulb This is pretty amazing...

    From a friend of a friend (if nothing else, just watch the video):

    March 16, 2010

    Dear friends and colleagues,

    It has been about four years since I have written to many of you. I am seeking your support to provide millions of gallons of drinking water to the orphanages in Haiti. Please take a couple minutes and review this information Many of you know about my personal interest in identifying opportunities to solve the world’s water crises. One of the most interesting devices that I came upon is the Lifesaver Water Bottle that was demonstrated at the 2009 TED Foundation Conference, a non profit organization that focuses on “ideas worth spreading”. For more info on TED please visit their wikipedia page >>

    Last week I learned that our Temple’s Tikkum Olam (community service) committee was organizing a fundraising effort to purchase the Lifesaver Bottle and five gallon “Jerrycan”. I immediately decided to purchase 50 Jerrycans and volunteered to bring them to Haiti and oversee their distribution. Each one will produce ~4000 gallons of sterile drinking water, enough to support 22 people for one year! This is accomplished for a cost of ~$0.06/gallon vs. the estimated price of bottled water in America of ~$1.35/gallon excluding the added cost of shipping.

    The Lifesaver Bottle and Jerrycan provide drinking water with a few pumps of a handle. A simple, inexpensive way to save lives. You can make a donation to Wilshire Boulevard Temple and we will make sure the Bottles and Jerrycans are purchased, delivered by Israaid, and used by children in orphanages all over Haiti. Each Lifesaver Bottle is $134, each Jerrycan $199. Please visit the links below to learn more and to donate. Children’s lives are at stake.

    Watch how it works! >>



    Donate NOW >>

    Whether or not you choose to donate, please foward this email along to a friend. Spreading the word is the only way we'll succeed in this effort.

    Thank you very much for taking the time to read this.


    Andy Haas

    Tel: 310-246-3671
    Fax: 310-246-3687
    ahaas@imperialcapital.com

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    Absolute Compassion versus Idiot Compassion

    "Absolute compassion is seeing the situation as it is, directly and thoroughly. If you have to be tough,you just do it. Idiot compassion contains a sort of opium - constantly trying to be good and kind. Absolute compassion is more literal, more discriminating and more definitive. You are willing to hurt somebody, even though you don't want to hurt that person, but in order wake that person up, you might have to hurt him or her,you might have to inflict pain."

    Chogyum Trungpa Rinpoche


    There is a severe over population problem in Haiti that needs to be addressed or the suffering will only get worse, generation to generation.

    Yes, help them with water, but mass sterilization must be considered.

    If animals were living in such misery, it would be considered inhumane to play the cat lady.

    Timid morality is the root cause of these peoples suffering

    Idiot compassion often lays the seeds for great suffering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape View Post
    Absolute Compassion versus Idiot Compassion

    "Absolute compassion is seeing the situation as it is, directly and thoroughly. If you have to be tough,you just do it. Idiot compassion contains a sort of opium - constantly trying to be good and kind. Absolute compassion is more literal, more discriminating and more definitive. You are willing to hurt somebody, even though you don't want to hurt that person, but in order wake that person up, you might have to hurt him or her,you might have to inflict pain."

    Chogyum Trungpa Rinpoche


    There is a severe over population problem in Haiti that needs to be addressed or the suffering will only get worse, generation to generation.

    Yes, help them with water, but mass sterilization must be considered.

    If animals were living in such misery, it would be considered inhumane to play the cat lady.

    Timid morality is the root cause of these peoples suffering

    Idiot compassion often lays the seeds for great suffering.
    Or you could support the fight for smarter political, economic and social policies in their country, and within thirty years they could be as wealthy as, say, Puerto Rico, Taiwan, Singapore, or a host of other small island nations with relatively plentiful prosperity...

    You know, that, or you could sterilize them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Or you could fight for smarter policies in their country, and within thirty years they could be as wealthy as, say, Puerto Rico, Taiwan, Singapore, or a host of other small island nations with relatively plentiful prosperity...

    You know, or you could just sterilize them...
    Err, yeah. I'm certainly not going to advise sterilization, but I will say that Haiti differs from those other countries in that its environmental situation is quite a bit worse than the others when they were trying to build up their economies (and Puerto Rico is actually pretty poor compared to the two others, though much better than Haiti).

    I might, if we're going to get extreme, advise a Hatian disapora be established, because the country may just not be capable of getting on track at the same time that it tries to support its currenty excessive population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Or you could fight for smarter policies in their country, and within thirty years they could be as wealthy as, say, Puerto Rico, Taiwan, Singapore, or a host of other small island nations with relatively plentiful prosperity...

    You know, or you could just sterilize them...
    Much treasure has been spent and much effort has been made and making the leap from collapsed economy, no government and major cocaine hub, into the economies you speak of cannot hope to happen when land is so scarce and even basic subsistence farming is not possible for the vast majority of people. The primary problem is they are severely overpopulated and are continuing the trend.

    They live on half an island, I have been there, it is hopeless, with the current status quo, but the cat lady keeps feeding them, making the problem worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape View Post
    Much treasure has been spent and much effort has been made and making the leap from collapsed economy, no government and major cocaine hub, into the economies you speak of cannot hope to happen when land is so scarce and even basic subsistence farming is not possible for the vast majority of people. The primary problem is they are severely overpopulated and are continuing the trend.

    They live on half an island, I have been there, it is hopeless with the status quo, but the cat lady keeps feeding them making the problem worse
    The Dominican Republic shares the same island (and has ~10% more people), and their GDP is 5000 nominally (8700 PPP).

    The problem is Haiti has had horrible governments, who have enacted terrible policies. Policies matter.

    If we were to take them over right now a la Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or Puerto Rico, I'm sure their GDP/capita would be above 5,000 by the year 2030 (from it's nominal 790 [1300, PPP]).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ape View Post

    Yes, help them with water, but mass sterilization must be considered.
    Even if you had good things to say, they are negated by the drama of this statement. You must know that?

    Mass sterilization would be an atrocity of human rights, period.

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    what exactly does that entail?
    It is sort of like getting a black mark on your record.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The Dominican Republic shares the same island, and their GDP is 5000 nominally (8700 PPP).

    The problem is Haiti has had horrible governments, who have enacted terrible policies. Policies matter.
    All of that is a problem, but then, Haiti also has the smaller, crappier part of the island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The Dominican Republic shares the same island, and their GDP is 5000 nominally (8700 PPP).

    The problem is Haiti has had horrible governments, who have enacted terrible policies. Policies matter.

    If we were to take them over right now a la Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or Puerto Rico, I'm sure their GDP/capita would be above 5,000 by the year 2030 (from it's nominal 790 now [1300, PPP]).
    The major root cause is a debt the Haiti was forced to pay France for the island's freedom. The debt was created by the French counting every living thing and asset on the island, giving it a price and then France demanding payment or they would block Haitis acceptance into the world community. The debt was in the 10's of billions in today's money terms and the Haitians payed it for many generations, sometimes the debt payments being more than 20% of the countries expenditures. The payments ended relatively recently( I could be wrong on exact details, as I am writing from memory, too lazy to research)

    French colonialism and it's mass shakedown doomed Haiti before it even got out of the gate

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    Ape, you have a very dismal, small-minded view of the world.

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