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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Oh, I forgot you are Spanish

    See, if I lived in Spain I'd want to be around the Med or the Islands (I love rural Mallorca, for example).

    Inland it's a bit... dusty and hot, for people who don't do well in high temperatures.... (like the pale skinned British or Ivy for that matter)

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    I don't live inland. I live in the Atlantic coast, which by the way, has much milder temperatures than the Mediterranean

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    I figured I shouly try and look into the national character typology

    U.S-ESTJ
    Japan-ISFJ
    Germany-INFJ
    England-ESTP
    Canada-ESFP
    Russia-ESFJ

    I must confess that I had to take some wild iNtuitive leaps here as the info that I am dealing with is very vague and I am not exactly sure what national character is and let alone how it could relate to typology.
    I agree that this whole topic is more for fun than serious analysis, but I would suggest that:

    U.S. is ESTP. Isn't that the cowboy ideal? It also focuses on innovation and making the deal. The downside is the conman stereotype, but it does apply to the artificiality of commercialism. Everything is fast and looks good.

    I would be inclined to say England was more I-TJ with its reserved social nature and system of social status and monarchy.

    China I would suggest is ESTJ - tradition, group acceptance, and there are more reasons I have, but will have to think how to say it.

    Germany would be strongly NT. It has one of the most logical language systems on the planet and its artistic expression is the most logical and theoretical of just about anyone.

    I agree that Russia would be ESFJ. It's artistic expression is very direct, passionate, but controlled and structured.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I agree that this whole topic is more for fun than serious analysis, but I would suggest that:

    U.S. is ESTP. Isn't that the cowboy ideal? It also focuses on innovation and making the deal. The downside is the conman stereotype, but it does apply to the artificiality of commercialism. Everything is fast and looks good.

    I would be inclined to say England was more I-TJ with its reserved social nature and system of social status and monarchy.

    China I would suggest is ESTJ - tradition, group acceptance, and there are more reasons I have, but will have to think how to say it.

    Germany would be strongly NT. It has one of the most logical language systems on the planet and its artistic expression is the most logical and theoretical of just about anyone.

    I agree that Russia would be ESFJ. It's artistic expression is very direct, passionate, but controlled and structured.
    Germany could well be NT, yet it is not clear if it endorses intellectual pursuits over artistic. Seems to me that the other way around could easily be the case. German was a language that philosophers had terrible difficulties writing in. Perhaps this suggests that it is better suited for artistic expression than clear communication about abstract ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Germany could well be NT, yet it is not clear if it endorses intellectual pursuits over artistic. Seems to me that the other way around could easily be the case. German was a language that philosophers had terrible difficulties writing in. Perhaps this suggests that it is better suited for artistic expression than clear communication about abstract ideas?
    I'm thinking this is more of an issue of ST vs. NT. The language doesn't do much for poetry either. It does not have the aesthetic or emotionally pleasing qualities of Spanish, Italian, or French. It is practical and logical. Germans are famed for their logic over sensitive, expressive dialog.

    Here's a couple more.

    It may surprise some to suggest France is INFJ. Watch just about any French film and you may find yourself wishing you had an INFJ along. I would have thought E, but the characters they idealize are very introspective. France is also known for extreme attention to detail and precision. At any rate it is extremely NF.

    Poland could be ISFJ. It is one of the most gentle countries that gets constantly overrun. Their art can be quite direct, but if you consider composers like Chopin, there is a quiet intensity to it.
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
    Fear of reality creates myopic morality
    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
    (from Blue Velvet)

    I want to be just like my mother, even if she is bat-shit crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I'm thinking this is more of an issue of ST vs. NT. The language doesn't do much for poetry either. It does not have the aesthetic or emotionally pleasing qualities of Spanish, Italian, or French. It is practical and logical. Germans are famed for their logic over sensitive, expressive dialog.

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    INTJ? Despite their logical approach to culture, seemingly iNtuition still holds primacy over the intellect and they are more structured than you'd expect an INTP to be.

    I'd agree about U.S being ESTP.. and then England probably ISTP instead of ISTJ... ESTJ is an excellt pick for China...there couldnt be a more fitting country for this tag that doesnt disregard complexities and the human element in favor of enforcing arbitrary rules and worshipping the hierarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post

    Germany would be strongly NT. It has one of the most logical language systems on the planet and its artistic expression is the most logical and theoretical of just about anyone.
    Ever been to Germany? It follows order very strongly. People are expected to follow instructions, and so on. Deadlines, adherence to social order are critical.

    Much more so than in England, the US etc.

    SJ?

    -Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post

    It may surprise some to suggest France is INFJ. Watch just about any French film and you may find yourself wishing you had an INFJ along. I would have thought E, but the characters they idealize are very introspective. France is also known for extreme attention to detail and precision. At any rate it is extremely NF.

    Nope! I'd go SP of some sort. The French are addicted to sensory pleasure... in cuisine, in the way that no other country is. Live to eat, not eat to live, je
    pense.

    I've not much noticed that France is known for extreme attention to detail and precision.. at least that I've ever come across; I work with French companies/people quite a bit, what made you say that?

    -Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Nope! I'd go SP of some sort. The French are addicted to sensory pleasure... in cuisine, in the way that no other country is. Live to eat, not eat to live, je
    pense.

    I've not much noticed that France is known for extreme attention to detail and precision.. at least that I've ever come across; I work with French companies/people quite a bit, what made you say that?
    Le Système international d'unités

    Also, their artistic expression and language are some of the most finely nuanced on the planet. I understand what you say about the free-spiritedness and extroverted sensing, but in all the French film and art I have encountered there is tremendous hidden meaning and layers of complexity. I'm basically an INFJ addicted to sensory pleasure. It is the manner in which I related to it that is different from an SP.

    Of course, I am not of the opinion that artistic expression is the domain of SP. Perhaps artisan and craftsman, but artistic communication is essentially philosophy communicated through the senses. I can back that up with volumes as needed.

    edit: one more thought in defense of French N-ness. Consider their contribution to philosophy and science. There is an emphasis on precision that is seen in their scientific advances. Also consider the nature of the French philosophers - not grounded in the type of logic of Nietzche and Kant.
    Step into my metaphysical room of mirrors.
    Fear of reality creates myopic morality
    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
    (from Blue Velvet)

    I want to be just like my mother, even if she is bat-shit crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff View Post
    Ever been to Germany? It follows order very strongly. People are expected to follow instructions, and so on. Deadlines, adherence to social order are critical.

    Much more so than in England, the US etc.

    SJ?

    -Geoff
    The descriptions sound like a mix of "STJ" and "NT".

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    U.S. is ESTP. Isn't that the cowboy ideal? It also focuses on innovation and making the deal. The downside is the conman stereotype, but it does apply to the artificiality of commercialism. Everything is fast and looks good.
    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    China I would suggest is ESTJ - tradition, group acceptance, and there are more reasons I have, but will have to think how to say it.
    Oh the irony!!

    You know that America is ESTJ right?
    You WILL accept that the USA is a GREAT nation under GOD!
    You WILL be patriotic

    Basically it's a country wrapped up in the ideals of dominance through power. The whole power structure of the country screams military ranks to me.

    Oh and the "american dream" is more of a prescribed set plan of steps more than one of innovation and ideas.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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