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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Oh, definitely. The Queen of England is not only someone whose bloodline makes her superior to everyone else in her country, but the Defender of the Faith. That just boggles my American republican (NOT Republican) mind.
    Think of her as serving the purpose of a constitution, but with the added bonus of bringing in tourists. Why would we get rid of that all the time there are people all over the world willing to pay to see her as if she were any of those things? We're under no illusions that she is, it's all just a nice game we invite people to play really. Most Britons don't believe that the Christian God exists, let alone that the Queen has any special relationship to him. But we're loathe to let go of any of those titles or other harmless traditions precisely because they're harmless traditions (sexist and sectarian accession laws excepted - hopefully they'll be altered eventually). I won't speak for any other countries but I would imagine the same is true for Sweden and others, which by the way has been voted the most democratic in the world and is by many standards considered the least backwards (literacy rates, gender equality, violent crime, poverty etc.) despite the supposedly backwards force of monachy. I do understand the gut reaction against the principle of monachy but I challenge anyone to think of any actual negative consequences of the current European versions that outweigh the benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    Think of her as serving the purpose of a constitution, but with the added bonus of bringing in tourists. Why would we get rid of that all the time there are people all over the world willing to pay to see her as if she were any of those things? We're under no illusions that she is, it's all just a nice game we invite people to play really. Most Britons don't believe that the Christian God exists, let alone that the Queen has any special relationship to him. But we're loathe to let go of any of those titles or other harmless traditions precisely because they're harmless traditions (sexist and sectarian accession laws excepted - hopefully they'll be altered eventually). I won't speak for any other countries but I would imagine the same is true for Sweden and others, which by the way has been voted the most democratic in the world and is by many standards considered the least backwards (literacy rates, gender equality, violent crime, poverty etc.) despite the supposedly backwards force of monachy. I do understand the gut reaction against the principle of monachy but I challenge anyone to think of any actual negative consequences of the current European versions that outweigh the benefits.

    Several things here:

    1) All humans are equal before the law. This is a core principle of modern Western Civilization. The idea of a monarchy in any fashion is just retarded in this day and age.

    2) A state church, no matter how unpopular, is wrong. Religious freedom is another core principle of modern Western Civilization, and it would piss me off to no end to have my tax dollars going to bishops of a dying faith.

    3) "Most democratic" country is not exactly glowing praise to someone like me. The republic is where it's at. Part of the job of a constitution (and government in general) is to restrain the people.

    4) Also, again with taxes, I don't think it's right that tax money goes to the royals not to work and chill out in their palaces. This may be a net positive with the tourism, but I am against taking money from some so that others may not work (in ALL cases).
    Who wants to try a bottle of merc's "Extroversion Olive Oil?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    A state church, no matter how unpopular, is wrong. Religious freedom is another core principle of modern Western Civilization, and it would piss me off to no end to have my tax dollars going to bishops of a dying faith.
    In the UK the Anglican church does not get any more tax brakes than any other religion. As oxymoronic as it sounds, for historical reasons the UK is a constitutionally secular country with a state religion.

    If anything, in Britain, being a official religion is a burden. Imagine having all the ecclesiastical officialdom in the world without any autonomy from government, to such a extent a certain religion has to ask the government for permission to change its rules whereas none of the other religions do, like is the case for the Church of England.

    "Most democratic" country is not exactly glowing praise to someone like me. The republic is where it's at. Part of the job of a constitution (and government in general) is to restrain the people.
    That is the exact problem in Britain, it has a parliamentary system without the checks of a parliamentary system. Its constitution does next to nothing is to restrain the government.
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    Oh our 3rd person reference to ourselves denotes nothing more than we realize we are epic characters on the forum.

    Narcissism, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    All humans are equal before the law. This is a core principle of modern Western Civilization.
    This is why revolution against lawful authority is the first evil, followed by the second evil, civil war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This is why revolution against lawful authority is the first evil, followed by the second evil, civil war.
    Yes two things England had specialised knowledge of in the 1600s. But of course that was all the Yankees' fault, damn ye colonials!

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    Will Elton John ever be Queen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes two things England had specialised knowledge of in the 1600s. But of course that was all the Yankees' fault, damn ye colonials!
    Please, Peguy, please!

    We are colonials and we loved being part of the British Empire.

    So we never revolted against lawful authority and we never attacked one another in a civil war.

    We remained loyal to the Crown and Crown Law while you continue to spread lawless revolution and civil war around the world as a form of repetition compulsion.

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    Spare me the Royalist erotica Victor. Perhaps I can make it more complete with "soft-porn" images of your countrymen being ruthlessly gunned down at Galipoli; all for the glory of the British clown! :rolli:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Spare me the Royalist erotica Victor. Perhaps I can make it more complete with "soft-porn" images of your countrymen being ruthlessly gunned down at Galipoli; all for the glory of the British clown! :rolli:
    We remember Gallipoli every year on our national day, ANZAC Day.

    And on ANZAC Parade we remember our battles in monuments, but right at the top of ANZAC Parade, in pride of place, is a memorial to our Turkish enemy at Gallipoli.

    The Turkish memorial is the only memorial to an enemy in the whole of the long parade.

    And today we have excellent relations with Turkey and they have built a new embassy right in front of your embassy but even closer to New Parliament House.

    We loved the British Empire and defended it with our blood and treasure at Gallipoli in WW I and in the Battle of Britain in WW II.

    Unfortunately you saw fit to cut the jugular of the British Empire at Suez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Unfortunately you saw fit to cut the jugular of the British Empire at Suez.
    When in doubt blame the Americans, is that your logic?

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