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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    This is the problem with democracy. This is why I advocate synarchy or secret aristocracy.
    Make sure to raise that point at the next meeting of the Elders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Jefferson was one of the greatest founding fathers and presidents, if not the best so I think is a terrible thing that this is happening but ever since I heard about the Omega programme, the beginnings of the born again evangelical revivals which lead to Carter having to promote his born again status to get elected
    ... Not just Carter.

    I'm not sure which is worse -- having Jefferson barred from a curriculum but remaining "untainted," or having religious groups try to actively recast him into some born-again Christian when it was clear that he was a deist who invested greatly in foundational documents and governing structure of our country. (And Franklin certainly contributed heavily as well, he had Puritan roots but had rejected much of the doctrine that people would use nowadays to denote Christian theology.)

    Why can't we just actually teach what happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Why can't we just actually teach what happened?
    And what good will that do for (insert) agenda?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    And what good will that do for (insert) agenda?
    Sorry... sometimes my idealism gets the best of me.
    (But realism always catches up again.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Sorry... sometimes my idealism gets the best of me.
    Yeah, I always thought that the T in your INTP was the odd one out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Why can't we just actually teach what happened?
    No argument here. Let's just make sure to bundle "how institutional racism is evident in American society" and ethnic quotas with the revisionist hagiography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    These textbooks will be hard-pressed to be any more unbalanced than some of the far-left influenced textbooks I have been exposed to, though
    Hmm, upon slightly further review: its still an uphill climb, but it seems that the Texas board is doing their damnedest to pull it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    ... Not just Carter.

    I'm not sure which is worse -- having Jefferson barred from a curriculum but remaining "untainted," or having religious groups try to actively recast him into some born-again Christian when it was clear that he was a deist who invested greatly in foundational documents and governing structure of our country. (And Franklin certainly contributed heavily as well, he had Puritan roots but had rejected much of the doctrine that people would use nowadays to denote Christian theology.)

    Why can't we just actually teach what happened?
    I just mentioned Carter because its the only archive and historical precedent I'm familiar with, besides Kennedy's speeches across America that his and his family's religion wasnt important when they fought in wars for America.

    There's still a hell of a lot of people here who believe he was assasinated for being a Roman Catholic outsider in a WASP establishment who's attempt to fashion a "Great Society" welfare-capitalist alternative to communism was seen as too close to selling out anglo-saxon culture.

    I love the Jefferson bible and I think the quotes from him telling people to read the bible but read it as you would tacticus (spelling) or classics are totally and utterly unassailable. I think its unamerican in the extreme what's going on there, all the thenomics, theocons and neo-calvinists should go to hell.

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