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    I'm sure there are people that will stay on unemployment as long as they can in order to get out of working. I know some.

    OTOH, I would have to see stats to see what percentage of people do that. AFAIK, you get around half the money collecting unemployment as you did working and I don't know a lot of people that wouldn't rather go to work than scrape by that poorly.

    If he could prove that there was a large unfilled demand for labor caused by people collecting unemployment instead of working, it'd be more credible to me. From what I've seen and heard jobs really are scarce, so there are a lot of people who are willing to work that can't find employment though no fault of their own. I guess we could just let them go on other types of assistance or just starve and fill up homeless shelters or live under bridges.
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    I think his stance is flawed given the current economic conditions. There are millions of people looking for jobs that can't find one. Once unemployment drops below 6%, he can focus his wrath on the loafers again.
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    Since there are 6.1 people looking for a job for every job available, I don't know what he expects those other 5 people to do. You can't even expect them to successfully start a new business since consumer demand is low, partially because of lack of income due to unemployment. The current problem is not lack of available labor.

    Fun chart on small business sales (note that small businesses are one of the primary generators of new jobs):

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    I think for every job open, there are 6 people actively looking for said job. Or that's how it was at the height of the recession. edit: Dammit Seymour.

    But Delay's line of thinking relates to the public policy idea that you can't have a safety net and social programs and low unemployment at the same time. But countries like Norway (3.3%), Germany (7.6%), and Denmark (4.2%) do. Every industrial country have these programs to some degree.

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    The HB lifeguards lay off their lifeguards every summer so they can collect unemployment yearlong. Then they rehire them. Year after year. SMH.

    I think our unemployeds consist of a combination of people that leech off unemployment without really looking for work, people that are desperately looking for work and thankful for unemployment, and people that refuse unemployment and make hunting for a job their top priority (such as myself, and it paid off, I just got my dream job).

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    Twinkle Toes Tom? Seriously? :eek:

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    Hmm... I think someone's math is wrong.

    Here in the valley, there are 6,500 unemployed people (or more) and there are 38 openings listed in the newspaper, so that's about 171 people for each 1 job, not 6 people for each 1 job...
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    Quote Originally Posted by speculative View Post
    Hmm... I think someone's math is wrong.

    Here in the valley, there are 6,500 unemployed people (or more) and there are 38 openings listed in the newspaper, so that's about 171 people for each 1 job, not 6 people for each 1 job...
    It's probably flawed to assume that all job openings are listed in the newspaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It's probably flawed to assume that all job openings are listed in the newspaper.
    Or that unemployment is distributed completely evenly: Unemployment Rates By County over Time.

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