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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Can we really say they would be artificially expensive, when currently they (products containing HFCS) are so very cheap only because of the government subsidies for corn?

    Do you think the people who eat more healthy foods would prefer their taxes to be artificially expensive due to the health care costs of others' obesity and poor food choices?

    Just throwing that out there.
    They would be artificially something (none of us know if they would still be cheap or expensive). What would make more sense would be to eliminate corn subsidies.

    As for the health care costs, I'd rather not pay for other peoples' poor choices. But that's what happens as entitlements expand, I have more of a vested interest in the personal lives of those receiving the entitlements.
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    For it to really have an effect on "obesity", you would need to increase the price of every calorie, not just the ones we think are "bad" but it would be an awfully blunt instrument and a cruel one at that (basically enforcing hunger).

    Who is to say the poor would be any better off if they were chronically hungry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thea View Post
    I'm not saying anything, because the situation in the US is different. I just wanted to sow an example that it is working in other countries.
    And I haven't searched for any statistics, it's just that I know that people here don't eat that much snacks and don't drink sodas as much as back home in Latvia, because snacks and candies are more expensive than normal food. Fx a can of Coke costs at least 2 US dollars here, so they drink it mostly only on special occasions or weekends.
    What do you mean "it works"? You have given no details.
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    If we're taxing soda, shouldn't we tax every other beverage besides water? Tea and coffee have caffeine in them, which isn't good for you, non-sugar drink mixes have aspartame, which is likely to cause cancer, liquor has alcohol, though I think that's already taxed...
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    Oh, and don't forget juice. Juice is HORRIBLE for you. It's full of sugar and burns away your teeth!
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    Modern economies need to find ways to circulate the money, tax and spending is the only way so far, politicians of the left and right will split hairs over whether security/war/punishment or welfare/art/culture should come up trumps but none the less the economy needs it in some shape or form, all by itself it doesnt circulate fast enough to deliver a modern, mass producing, mass consuming marketplace.

    This is the elephant in the room when it comes to both economics and politics, no one will talk about it, instead traditional ideologies of libertianism, fiscal conservatism and socialism, with their own versions of class struggles, are much more attractive, especially to anyone working hard, earning a living and saving for a car, home, kids education.

    At the end of the day this is what I believe tax is about, anything like obescity taking a hit in the process is only an added bonus in everything. I'm totally against taxes on choclate and soda, if they really wanted to circulate the money they would use corporation taxes (not that they wouldnt get handed on to the consumer in final prices anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    Can we really say they would be artificially expensive, when currently they (products containing HFCS) are so very cheap only because of the government subsidies for corn?

    Do you think the people who eat more healthy foods would prefer their taxes to be artificially expensive due to the health care costs of others' obesity and poor food choices?
    1.) End the subsidies instead; then no one gets preferential treatment.

    2.) Do you think monogamous and/or celibate people should get preferential tax treatment for not contributing to health-care costs for STD's? Should childless people be penalized for not contributing to the sustainability of entitlements?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    They would be artificially something (none of us know if they would still be cheap or expensive). What would make more sense would be to eliminate corn subsidies.

    As for the health care costs, I'd rather not pay for other peoples' poor choices. But that's what happens as entitlements expand, I have more of a vested interest in the personal lives of those receiving the entitlements.
    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    1.) End the subsidies instead; then no one gets preferential treatment.
    Agreed, I think that would be a better solution (though to be fair I'm not adequately informed about the long-term consequences, since it would severely impact agriculture in some ways).

    2.) Do you think monogamous and/or celibate people should get preferential tax treatment for not contributing to health-care costs for STD's? Should childless people be penalized for not contributing to the sustainability of entitlements?
    Nope. I'm not in favour of a "fat tax", or penalizing anything outright but I don't think the current system of artificially lowering the consumer price of unhealthy foods is wise, either. I'm not looking at it from a "penalty" POV as much as thinking that the current system needs to be changed, whether that's from the source (subsidies) or at the consumer (taxes). I would be highly interested in knowing where the money goes, though. It would be nice if it was earmarked for something productive and related but knowing government, that's unlikely.

    I think it's silly that food that requires little energy to produce has ended up being more expensive than heavily processed food loaded with chemicals and weird forms of calories. Government is supposed to use tax breaks and subsidies to improve the nation, not to encourage poor eating habits.
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    Thanks be to godd I drink beer instead of POP.

    The pizza thing has me a little, teensy bit upset.

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