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    JTM, ABORT! PULL OUT! IT'S A TRAP!

    edit: I must really not want to work tonight to be arguing about this.
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    I am so proud of our board here, that in a mere 41 posts, we can turn the issue of pay toliets into a Socio-economic-politico-gender war issue. And racism was also mentioned but no mention of Nazism yet so that seems a bit off. Get with it people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    The token charge is a least-impact resolution. Less confrontational than having your staff enforce it. The racial card is moot given you can't divide up the rooms like that.
    It's not moot because it's punishing everyone of a certain demographic for the bad behavior of a small minority of that demographic.

    It doesn't matter that restrooms aren't divided by race--I'm asking you, in theory, if they knew that most of the people messing up the restrooms are black, would it be fair to charge black men a higher bathroom fee?

    Nevermind how they obtained this information--just tell me, if they could somehow know this for sure, would it be fair?

    Quote Originally Posted by Feops View Post
    Non-patrons are more likely to mess up the room because patrons will be of a higher social class and more concerned with sanitation. Truly degenerate individuals are less concerned with the environment and more about not getting arrested for going in public.
    This is McDonald's and you think patrons are going tend to be higher social class? Are you kidding?

    But even if you're correct about this, why not just institute a no bathroom use for non-patrons policy? Wouldn't this keep undesirables out of the bathroom without unfairly punishing all male customers for the bad behavior of just a few?
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    It is discriminating based on gender because they're forcing all male customers to pay for the poor behavior of a minority of them.
    All moral questions aside, can't private businesses discriminate against their customers all they want? I mean, I know the American corporate standard is "the customer is always right" but in higher-end places, I think private buisnesses discriminate all of the time because they can afford to because they make larger sums of money off of smaller numbers of people.

    It's like having a dress code or only allowing certain people into night clubs or boutiques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    That's interesting. Shall we double the price of airline tickets for Muslims, too? Those bombed planes are expensive to replace!
    Double might be too high considering the statistical chances of it happening, but I don't think the airline is insane for trying to discourage a demographic that they find statistically more likely to hurt their business and other customers.

    But there's other ways they could have the same effect. Like you, I think it's a weird way to go. You just need a key system or something, like gas stations if you want to limit it to customers. And if it IS your customers, I'd think about a bathroom steward or something.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    JTM, ABORT! PULL OUT! IT'S A TRAP!
    Second time I've heard this tonight! Is it a full moon or something?



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    I'm not going to debate racial discrimination given it has nothing to do with this.

    People who can afford to eat at McDonald's are of higher social class than people without their own toilets, yes.

    I've already explained why charging trumps the policy. Twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Hatter View Post
    Free toilets are just another road towards socialism.

    You have been warned.
    This reminds me of a parody one of my friends wrote about a libertarian utopia where no one could piss on the streets without paying.

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    Because I have no life, I just googled "McDonalds bathroom token" and found that most McDonaldses that use tokens give them for free if you buy something. It's a quarter if you don't buy anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    All moral questions aside, can't private businesses discriminate against their customers all they want? I mean, I know the American corporate standard is "the customer is always right" but in higher-end places, I think private buisnesses discriminate all of the time because they can afford to because they make larger sums of money off of smaller numbers of people.

    It's like having a dress code or only allowing certain people into night clubs or boutiques.
    There are certain protected demographics which businesses cannot legally discriminate based on--they include race, color, creed, gender, national origin, disability, and in some states sexual orientation.

    Having a dress code is allowed because it's not based on any of the above criteria. If you could prove that you were denied entry to a posh night club because of your race/gender/religion, etc., you could win a lawsuit there, but that'd be difficult to prove.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Because I have no life, I just googled "McDonalds bathroom token" and found that most McDonaldses that use tokens give them for free if you buy something. It's a quarter if you don't buy anything.
    Well, that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. There's no reason to expect them to extend bathroom privileges to non-customers.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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