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    Quote Originally Posted by Litvyak View Post
    Source?
    Trying to remember the exact details to look up the specifics; it was an older thing that happened with cuba where one of the plans that was given was to blow up several of the states own ships to frame cuba for the attack and use it as an excuse to start a war there.

    The plans were scrapped, obviously, though they were de-classified after some time. I'd like to go find the specific details but can't recall enough off the top of my head to have much to search with.

    Honestly, it doesn't matter so much, as it's not something that I think was horribly taken seriously, moreso one of those "brainstorming" session type ideas, where yeu throw everything on the table no matter how stupid it is, but it was recorded officially.

    Then again, some other stupid things around that time included wanting to assassinate castro with an exploding conch shell.

    But yeah, strange things have happened in the past, and even something dumb like that can be eventually used against yeu in the world of politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    These "9/11 was an inside job" people are hysterical.
    Why?
    How many hugely massive scandals & cover ups that were once thought of as hysterical have now been brought to light?
    Governments think nothing of killing innocent people if it's for the (their own) greater cause.
    And people still believe everything their governments claim, now thats hysterical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    Why?
    How many hugely massive scandals & cover ups that were once thought of as hysterical have now been brought to light?
    On the magnitude of 9/11?

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    The official 9/11 Commission does have plenty of holes in it. And you certainly don't have to be a 9/11 Truther to believe that. Just that we didn't do a great job of explaining what happened. It was used to re-route any individual accountability that would fault officials for the attacks, and pre-9/11 intelligence bungling. A watchdog group made up of former FBI and NSA officials charged that the report was heavily censored, also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    On the magnitude of 9/11?
    What do you mean by magnitude, do you mean the loss of lives? I can think of several. Do you mean the cost in money? again several. Destruction of buildings again several.
    Why do people always want to avoid questions and pose other questions instead of actually answering?
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    Ahmadinejad is a moronic puppet of a dictatorship that poses as a democracy who condones not only the killing of protesters but also the rape and torture of them.
    I do not agree with his reasoning any more than i agree he is the true voted president of Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    On the magnitude of 9/11?
    The magnitude of 9/11 was actually exceedingly low on the scale; the only reason it seems 'high' is because it got so much media coverage and was blown way out of proportion.

    3,000 people is not a very large number; 40,000 die daily due to various causes as it is. 3,000 additional is less than even 10%. More people in china alone die daily than occured during the attack.

    Longer, drawn out attacks, such as wars, genocides, and similar occurrences, cost FAR more in human lives.

    Remember, WW2 started mostly as a way to revive germany's economy during the recession. Everything from their weapons to their beliefs were manufactured with the intent of being "better" than everyone else, and that sense of pride was the tool used to achieve that goal of revival of their economy. And yeu know whot? It worked. At the cost of anyone around them.

    How many atrocities have been committed against a country's own people in order to justify an action taken? It's been estimated 3 *MILLION* people were killed during chairman mao's reform of the chinese economy... because they starved to death. It's not that they didn't have any food... they were forced to BURN the food they had, let the fields that could grow food go bare, and focus on making massive amounts of useless steel that they had no use for.

    3,000 is not a large number of deaths for that kind of thing, by any means. It's actually quite far on the very, very low side for most major occurrences of its' type were that actually a coverup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GemPOPGem View Post
    What do you mean by magnitude, do you mean the loss of lives? I can think of several. Do you mean the cost in money? again several. Destruction of buildings again several.
    Why do people always want to avoid questions and pose other questions instead of actually answering?
    Like you just did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katsuni View Post
    The magnitude of 9/11 was actually exceedingly low on the scale; the only reason it seems 'high' is because it got so much media coverage and was blown way out of proportion.

    3,000 people is not a very large number; 40,000 die daily due to various causes as it is. 3,000 additional is less than even 10%. More people in china alone die daily than occured during the attack.

    Longer, drawn out attacks, such as wars, genocides, and similar occurrences, cost FAR more in human lives.

    Remember, WW2 started mostly as a way to revive germany's economy during the recession. Everything from their weapons to their beliefs were manufactured with the intent of being "better" than everyone else, and that sense of pride was the tool used to achieve that goal of revival of their economy. And yeu know whot? It worked. At the cost of anyone around them.

    How many atrocities have been committed against a country's own people in order to justify an action taken? It's been estimated 3 *MILLION* people were killed during chairman mao's reform of the chinese economy... because they starved to death. It's not that they didn't have any food... they were forced to BURN the food they had, let the fields that could grow food go bare, and focus on making massive amounts of useless steel that they had no use for.

    3,000 is not a large number of deaths for that kind of thing, by any means. It's actually quite far on the very, very low side for most major occurrences of its' type were that actually a coverup.
    Yes agreed!
    And if that isn't enough for people, heres a whole list
    List of successful coups d'tat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    This can't possibly surprise anyone. A real headline would read "Ahmadinejad licks Olmert's grundle".
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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