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    OMG priests like having sex with little boys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    OMG priests like having sex with little boys?
    Well, the Pope is connected to the scandal, now. That doesn't happen every day, at least it doesn't get out to the media.

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    Perhaps the Vatican is in competition with US Government officials?


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    Default The Limitation of Power and Catholicism

    It is a clash of ideologies.

    It is a clash between liberal democracy and Catholicism.

    For liberal democracy seeks to limit power, while Catholicism seeks to increase power.

    In 1833 liberal democracy succeeded in limiting institutional slavery in the House of Commons.

    And in 1904 liberal democracy succeeded in limiting the power of men over women by enfranchising women.

    Unfortunately the perfect expression of Catholic power remained, not only the rape of children, but its successful cover up all over the Catholic world.

    But in about 1990 liberal democracy started to bring child rapists before the Criminal Courts. And since then we have seen a constant parade of Catholic Priests and Brothers convicted in open Court of child rape.

    It is very hard for Catholicism to understand what is happening, just as they find it very hard to understand liberal democracy.

    But liberal democracy with its modest aim of limiting power is succeeding in limiting the power of Catholicism over children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Shouldnt exist? I'm sorry I couldnt ever agree to that, they dont exactly leach as they are all taken vows of poverty and pretty much dont live in more than subsistence and simplicity, this was part of my point about the avaratiousness which is evident in this story.

    I dont think that Christian ministry should be a part time thing undertaken by someone whose mind is really on their day job.

    If you want to criticise leaching clergy you really have to look outside of the RC church to stadium Christianity, tele-evangelism and call now 999 - Christian broadcasts.
    Oh no doubt, the tele-evangelists are by far the worse offenders, but this isn't some game of "Who's the Biggest Sinner?"

    First century Christians all had day-jobs, with the possible exception of missionaries who could not settle down in one place. Even then, St. Paul himself, the biggest missionary of them all, was a self-financed textile worker (possibly specializing in tent-making).

    Why spend billions of dollars on church buildings and clergymen each year when we can follow the Biblical pattern of house churches and lay-ministry, then spend the rest on the poor? I mean, St. Peter was a fisherman for crying out loud!

    Christianity is a way of life, meant to be practiced by all, and all the time. A theology degree or vow of chastity doesn't automatically make someone a better Christian, and a day-job doesn't automatically make someone else any worse.

    Anyway, I am really starting to enjoy our discussion Lark. Lol, we keep things interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildoftheProphets View Post
    Why spend billions of dollars on church buildings and clergymen each year...
    Religions are usually founded by charismatic individuals, but if they are to continue, they must be run by bureaucracies.

    And naturally we look back nostalgically to our first careless rapture from our quotidian days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    I wonder how many members of the cloth are a part of it to conceal their sexual identity in the first place.
    I think a lot of people wonder about this. Lurid tales of lesbian exploits in convents isn't just the stuff of cheap late night porn. Some people ran to religious professions for the 'freedom' it brought and because the preferred to keep a certain kind of company. Personally, I think it was more likely for a woman to run to a convent for those reasons though than a man to the priesthood or a monastery. As there were much fewer freedoms and opportunities for women compared to men back in the middle ages of Europe and such.

    And, I only read the first page of this thread but wanted to add - pedophilia and homosexuality are not the same thing. Pedophiles are sick individuals and abusers. Homosexuals? Meh. LOL.

    I would much rather prefer that there never were any cases about sexual abuse of parishioners and children at the hands of Catholic priests than something like this. Something like this is similar to politicians who get caught in theblack book of a famous madame (that you know, runs a brothel). The fact the prostitutes were also male makes it more lurid and the the Catholics involved seem more hypocritical, but it also makes the case pretty funny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Religions are usually founded by charismatic individuals, but if they are to continue, they must be run by bureaucracies.
    Why must churches be run by bureaucracies? What does a seminary degree and arbitrary hierarchical system have to do with worshiping God or caring for the sick and the poor?

    I'm not saying that no Christian should ever study advanced theology, Biblical languages, or hermenuitics (indeed, quite the opposite), nor am I saying that a group of Christians should never get together to discuss logistics of man-power or money. I'm just saying that these things don't make a church, and to elevate them (or should I say "degrade them") to the level of a political machine is embarrassing and inhuman.

    Do you disagree?
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    The Quotidian and the Ecstatic

    Quote Originally Posted by ChildoftheProphets View Post
    Why must churches be run by bureaucracies? What does a seminary degree and arbitrary hierarchical system have to do with worshiping God or caring for the sick and the poor?

    I'm not saying that no Christian should ever study advanced theology, Biblical languages, or hermenuitics (indeed, quite the opposite), nor am I saying that a group of Christians should never get together to discuss logistics of man-power or money. I'm just saying that these things don't make a church, and to elevate them (or should I say "degrade them") to the level of a political machine is embarrassing and inhuman.

    Do you disagree?
    The religious impulse seems to be expressed in individuals such as Jesus or Buddha, but the rest of us need the day to day support of an institution. So it is inevitable that the religious impulse become institutionalised.

    And the institution preserves for us in our day to day lives, the spontaneity of its founder. However the cost of an institution is the loss of spontaneity.

    But in order to recover our spontaneity, we have revivals. We seek to revive the spontaneity the institution has lost.

    So we alternate between the quotidian and the ecstatic.

    All we need to do is to keep our balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The religious impulse seems to be expressed in individuals such as Jesus or Buddha, but the rest of us need the day to day support of an institution. So it is inevitable that the religious impulse become institutionalised.

    And the institution preserves for us in our day to day lives, the spontaneity of its founder. However the cost of an institution is the loss of spontaneity.

    But in order to recover our spontaneity, we have revivals. We seek to revive the spontaneity the institution has lost.

    So we alternate between the quotidian and the ecstatic.

    All we need to do is to keep our balance.
    I'll agree that there's a fundemental need for balance (Aristotle and Buddha would both heartily agree), but how is a formal institution necessary for social support?

    Modern church institutions are built around a concentrated core of clerical power, which is unnecessary for Christian living. Services, ministries, collections, community events--these can all be accomplished without huge sanctuaries, seminarians, church offices, and paid secretaries.

    A Christian is a Christian 24/7, not just on Sundays or if paid by other people's tithes. For believers to delegate entire chunks of thier spiritual life to paid "professionals" is nowhere near the original intentions of Jesus, Paul, or other early founders of the faith.
    "In the opening and shutting of heaven's gate, are you able to play the feminine part?" -- Lao Tzu

    "For when the One Great Scorer comes
    To write against your name,
    He marks - not that you won or lost -
    But how you played the Game."
    -- Grantland Rice

    Life is a game, boy. Life is a game that one plays according to the rules. -- from The Catcher in the Rye

    "The only rules that really matter are these: what a man can do, and what a man can't do." -- Jack Sparrow

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