03-04-2010, 12:16 PM #21OberonGuest
03-04-2010, 12:17 PM #22
I think you kind of proved my point with your response.
03-04-2010, 12:18 PM #23OberonGuest
When it comes to matters like this, the state hates competition.
03-04-2010, 12:20 PM #24
03-04-2010, 12:21 PM #25OberonGuest
Why don't you read up on this for a few weeks and get back to me, okay?
03-04-2010, 12:24 PM #26OberonGuest
03-04-2010, 12:26 PM #27
You're obviously very sensitive about the issue, and aren't thinking about what you're saying. I get it - the homeschooling biz has made you uncomfortable and defensive over the years for many different reasons (probably many of which go beyond the scope of our current discussion).
I'm not going to to travel down this road with you. If you read my continuum of responses in this thread, I've already offered an almost summary support of your particular position. Here's an earlier comment:
Best of luck, Oberon.
03-04-2010, 12:27 PM #28
I was bothered about their main objection (which was the religious issue), considering what was potentially being traded off. I've just seen far too much cloistering of kids rather than equipping them to deal with the world.
However, I can far more respect a position like Oberon's, which discusses some very legitimate issues with public school and how home-schooling can remedy them. Home-schooling seems like a pursuit that either is done really well or really poorly... if you do it well, it's worth it, but if you do it lukewarmly or poorly, it's has potential for worse disaster than just leaving well enough alone.
It does have the benefit of allowing children and parents to spend more time together, but then the issue of peer socialization has to be taken care of. Still, any issue can be "worked" to find some sort of solution.
I'm not much for the "brainwashing" defense which tries to accuse every involved agency of indoctrination; that argument loses the nuance of what specifically is being taught by who and why, and how much flexibility is being permitted by the teacher. Just because agents are necessarily teaching a particular point of view does not put their approaches on the same footing or make them equivalent in motivation, fairness, balance, etc."Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"
“Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft
03-04-2010, 12:34 PM #29
My mother teaches 3rd grade in a public school and is considered good enough by parents in the area that they will take thier children out of home school or private school for the 3rd grade year just to have her teach them (I've heard that when lurking around helping out at the fun fair there and such)
This means that she usually has a couple of kids each year who were home schooled
she said that the biggest problem is that they don't understand the social dynamics as well as the kids who've been acclimated to large groups of children and they are usually somewhat unbalanced in their education- like they're great at reading, writing, science and social studies but have the math abilities of someone who never took 2nd grade, or they're math geniuses who are nearly illiterate. It's not that the kids are dumb either, because they seem to pick up on the material really quickly once it's introduced.
I just don't think that a lot of parents who homeschool are adequatley trained in how to promote a well rounded education- it's not that ALL aren't, but there are a lot of parents out there who teach what they know best and try with what they don't.
I also think that being exposed to a diverse group of people and ideas is good for a child and promotes free thinking and breaks the apron strings, but that's just my opinion“Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett
03-04-2010, 12:35 PM #30OberonGuest
My usual response is something like "You know, their mother and I were concerned about that too. So once a week we take them into the bathroom, rough them up, curse at them, steal their lunch money and offer them drugs, and that seems to take care of it."
You see, the question is based on the assumption that the social experience offered by public schools is a positive influence. However, in my experience the socialization offered by public schools isn't necessarily a net positive.
In any case, my kids do ballet, 4H, boy scouts, city-league soccer, and the church youth group, so there are plenty of opportunities for group interaction and the formation of peer relationships.
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