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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    sure, sure, like maybe Detroit could send in some of their finest.
    ROTFL! That would be funny if they tried that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Razor View Post
    I wish we had a time machine at our hands so we could send Peguy back in time where he can enjoy the high life in 13th century Europe. Here is a picture of what awaits you if you aren't looking "devout" enough, though.

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    "The common view of the medieval justice system as cruel and based around torture and execution is often unfair and inaccurate," said University of Cambridge historian Helen Mary Carrel. Most criminals received gentle sentences merely meant to shame them, Carrel said, with the punishments often carried out in the open so townspeople could bring them charity.

    Medieval Justice Not So Medieval | LiveScience

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    To clarify: I am definitely in favor of parents having the right to homeschool. I do worry about the kids who are homeschooled in an effort to keep them ignorant of basic facts that may challenge their parents' religious beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    That's interesting. How have you exposed it?
    How many gov't schools in the U.S. have you visited for more than a few minutes?

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    How many have you? If anything, I think the pressure on children here to be reading by the end of K is too great. I wish they would relax a little and let the kids play more. It is how they learn, after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    How many have you? If anything, I think the pressure on children here to be reading by the end of K is too great. I wish they would relax a little and let the kids play more. It is how they learn, after all.
    My first two kids took to reading like ducks to water. My third child, not so much. In kindergarten, he got so frustrated with basic phonics that he would be shedding angry tears within fifteen minutes.

    We backed off and let him learn other things for a few months, while looking around for a curriculum we thought would engage him. We found a set of readers published by Veritas Press, readers that combined a sequential approach to phonics with historical stories presented in simple language. We went back at it in the first grade, and it it was like turning on a light... he suddenly seemed to just "get it." We've been shoveling the books at him ever since.

    My three eldest all have their own well-worn library cards. My town has a very large brand-new library within walking distance of our house, and we make rigorous use of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The price of universal literacy is free, compulsory and secular education.
    This especially rings true when you compare the US states with the most funding/support for public education with their average literacy rate. It pays off.

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    It's interesting about schools... if you send your child to a Catholic school, you expect that he'll be exposed to Catholicism. If you send him to a Jewish school, you expect he'll be taught from a Jewish perspective. If you send him to a Baptist school, you expect that he'll receive an education flavored with Baptist doctrine and tradition...

    ...so it's natural to expect that, when sent to a state school, children are educated from a statist point of view.

    The US was originally colonized by people who had fled Europe in search of freedom of religion, freedom from state interference, and freedom from unwanted cultural influences. The Puritan strain still runs strong in the American psyche, as you can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    ...so it's natural to expect that, when sent to a state school, children are educated from a statist point of view.
    What's the biggest way you think public schools enforce a statist view, or a view that centralized government control over economic planning/policy is good?

    I went to one, so I'll tell you if it's true or not.

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