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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I didn't trust my parents for very long. What do you make of that?
    Trust me, it's never enough. The issue remains as long as you're locked into a single and exclusive relationship. Unless you have no other choice (disease; geography), this is a very perverse situation.

    It's very, very dangerous on the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphrodite-gone-awry View Post
    Yeah, some strangers in government know my kids and what they need better than their own loving family. I will never really understand that.
    That's not the issue.

    The idea is to allow your children to have multiple choices, multiple introductions, multiple interactions around them. The one they see at home, with their family, and the one they see elsewhere. The two experiences, the two exposures are necessary: in fact they complete each other.

    Nothing prevents you to help your child after his regular classes if you want. Absolutely nothing.

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    But beware: family can be far more destructive than schools... especially when they feel the urge to have absolute control over the education of their children, over what they learn, over who they see, and so on.
    Ultra-protective families are very dangerous, act like barely breathable toxic environments: and the more protective, the more they feel good intended, the more issues their children will inevitably have.

    You need balance. You need contact with the outside world. Parents have to learn to let their children go and progressively gain some autonomy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post

    But beware: family can be far more destructive than schools... especially when they feel the urge to have absolute control over the education of their children, over what they learn, over who they see, and so on.
    Ultra-protective families are very dangerous, act like barely breathable toxic environments: and the more protective, the more they feel good intended, the more issues their children will inevitably have.

    You need balance. You need contact with the outside world. Parents have to learn to let their children go and progressively gain some autonomy.
    Schools have to be more protective than parents because they can't offend the parents' wishes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    The variability between "fantastic" and "terrible" homeschool experiences seems to be so high that it's a difficult question in some ways.
    I agree with this. But I would apply it to public, charter, and private schools as well. There are wheat and tares in all the fields here.

    This is why, IMO, it doesn't make a lot of sense to think one method is better across the board. It's going to vary depending on the location, the schools available, the temperament and personality of the individual child, and that of the parents who would be educating them.

    As a student myself I experienced public, private, and homeschool at various points in my education (as well as community college, a small private college, and a large public university, so I pretty much took the sampler plate). Each was the right choice for me at the time given the options available to my family.

    I really could not be happier with the experience my daughter has had at a charter elementary school (public, but opt-in so everyone there has chosen to be there) for K-5. I don't think I could have reproduced at home the range of experiences she has had there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    That's not the issue.

    The idea is to allow your children to have multiple choices, multiple introductions, multiple interactions around them. The one they see at home, with their family, and the one they see elsewhere. The two experiences, the two exposures are necessary: in fact they complete each other.

    So home schooled children are only ever at home in the same environment all of the time? I think not.

    Nothing prevents you to help your child after his regular classes if you want. Absolutely nothing.

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    But beware: family can be far more destructive than schools... especially when they feel the urge to have absolute control over the education of their children, over what they learn, over who they see, and so on.
    Ultra-protective families are very dangerous, act like barely breathable toxic environments: and the more protective, the more they feel good intended, the more issues their children will inevitably have.


    Hmmm, what a negative view of the family environment. It may be the case in some homes but i don't believe it to be the case in most.

    You need balance. You need contact with the outside world. Parents have to learn to let their children go and progressively gain some autonomy.
    Homeschoolers beware, keep your children in the basement if the doorbell rings. Seriously, do you really believe that the only way children socialize is at school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    As a homeschooler, I'm all for it. If I were raising my four kids in Germany, I would have done the same thing.
    Not all gov't skools are awful, and not all homeskoolin is outstanding, but the average education a homeskoold kid in the US receives is vastly better than the average education one receives in an American gov't skool.

    Germany is still a Nazi state, so this kind of thing is to be expected, but it is quite sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Germany is still a Nazi state
    Not really, although the law against homeschooling was passed under the Nazis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Not really, although the law against homeschooling was passed under the Nazis.
    It's just one law among many. Try organizing your own lil' Nazi party in Germany & see how quickly you'll discover Germany is still run by Uncle Adolf's Goons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    It's just one law among many. Try organizing your own lil' Nazi party in Germany & see how quickly you'll discover Germany is still run by Uncle Adolph's Goons.
    That doesn't make any sense. Nazism is illegal in Germany.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    Not all gov't skools are awful, and not all homeskoolin is outstanding, but the average education a homeskoold kid in the US receives is vastly better than the average education one receives in an American gov't skool.
    This might be true, because homeschooling is a self-selecting group. All homeschooling parents meet the bar of caring enough about their childrens' education to take it upon themselves. I think any educational option where all of the families who participate in it CHOSE it rather than just letting it happen is going to turn out a much better result, on average, than the default. Even considering the ones who do a shitty job of it.
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