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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    As a home schooled student, I have very mixed feelings about this. It can be better, and it can just as well be worse.
    I think you misunderstand me; the model is the model, and is static in its relative merit vs. the public school model.

    It's the application of homeschooling in specific instances that can be better or worse.

    What I'm getting at is this: If one group does homeschooling conscientiously, and another group does public schooling conscientiously, I believe that the homeschoolers will reliably produce the better-educated graduates. It's a better model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Tell me, what kind of awful bacterias are you afraid of, Oberon?
    What really frightens me, Camembert, is that I might one day die stuck in an elevator with you. I'm terrified it will be a slow death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    What I'm getting at is this: If one group does homeschooling conscientiously, and another group does public schooling conscientiously, I believe that the homeschoolers will reliably produce the better-educated graduates. It's a better model.
    Are you offering a statistical citation, or is this more an investment of personal feeling?

    It sounds like the latter. I don't think you can offer a summary judgment, Oberon. Both decisions have contextual consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    Rather than knee jerk reaction to the word christian is there anything worthwhile about the situation you can discuss? What is the view on home schooling in Italy? Can you home school? Is it only evangelical Christians that do it?
    Home schooling is (rightfully, in my opinon) unlawful. There's basically no such a thing, and no parent would think about homeschooling their children. I could see, however, that it may be a good idea if a family lives in a rather isolated place; perhaps in that case something like 50-percent-home and 50-percent-real-school would let children waste much less time with travelling to and back from school.

    What I'm getting at is this: If one group does homeschooling conscientiously, and another group does public schooling conscientiously, I believe that the homeschoolers will reliably produce the better-educated graduates. It's a better model.
    Why? Teachers had to pass through many years of schooling before being allowed to practice their profession. How could I think I'm better than them, a priori? Sure, parents will often be better than AWFUL teachers, but there's a lot of good teachers too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Are you offering a statistical citation, or is this more an investment of personal feeling?

    It sounds like the latter. I don't think you can offer a summary judgment, Oberon. Both decisions have contextual consequences.
    Acknowledged. That's why I inserted "I believe" into what I wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Why? Teachers had to pass through many years of schooling before being allowed to practice their profession. How could I think I'm better than them, a priori? Sure, parents will often be better than AWFUL teachers, but there's a lot of good teachers too.
    I went into this in some detail back on page 1 of the thread... and, too, things may well be different in Italy. You will have to advise me on that.

    Still, I believe that as a parent I am primarily responsible for the education of my children. I can do it myself or I can hire it out as most do, but however it happens the responsibility is mine. My wife and I chose to do the task ourselves; we're as well educated, better motivated, and more invested than any public school teacher my children are likely to encounter in the local schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Home schooling is (rightfully, in my opinon) unlawful. There's basically no such a thing, and no parent would think about homeschooling their children.
    I beg your pardon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Acknowledged. That's why I inserted "I believe" into what I wrote.
    Wanted to make sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I beg your pardon?
    (in Italy, I mean - I was replying to Elaur)
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Look into it and I strongly suspect that you will find that the government's case against them was not particularly due to the parents wanting to brainwash their children, but that the children should receive their brainwashing from the parents rather than the government.

    When it comes to matters like this, the state hates competition.
    Exactly. The German educational system seems highly repressive, and indicative of a society centered around majoritarian state power rather than respect for the rights of individuals and the role of the family in an individual's life.

    Oh, and I moved all over the country as a kid, and went to public school my whole life; there was always a problem with bullying and other brutal forms of social dynamics. I'm not saying public schooling is always a bad thing, but it ain't always good, either. Its a moot point, anyway; the real issue is that, except in cases of actual child abuse or gross neglect, it is the role of parent's to determine a child's upbringing, not the state. Educational standards can still be upheld within a homeschooled environment (the state the family in question is living in seems to have some pretty sensible regulations in that regard).

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