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    Make no mistake, the inevitable transition away from liquid petroleum will not be at all easy. There will be some hardship associated with it. Nevertheless, we will get through it.

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    Unless you can grow food locally, in a tight community....you'll be struggling for your life. The urbanised cities are fucked :p

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    But then, I'de like to get back to the original question. If you knew now, that 2 years from now oil would be spent....what would you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantive View Post
    Unless you can grow food locally, in a tight community....you'll be struggling for your life. The urbanised cities are fucked :p
    You know, I just don't buy into your apocalyptic vision. It's like saying in 1900, "What would happen if all the draft horses died?"

    The answer is, we'll transition to trucks and tractors. That was as incomprehensible in 1900 as our future is to you now.

    One thing that might happen is a resurgence of rail to move freight. It's much more fuel-efficient per ton than trucks are.

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    Well I have no car, so I wouldn't miss gas for my car.
    If there were no gas heating, I would use wood.
    I assume we would rely on nuclear, solar, and water for energy (in that order).
    Finally, the government would have to force the oil companies that have bought up and sat on environmentally friendly patents to hand over the goods.

    And we'd all live a great deal healthier and better?

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    My husband and the kids and I would all be out in the yard digging with shovels a lot because we'd be eating a lot of potatoes. We would probably all be living in one or two rooms of our house because we would have difficulty affording our heat and lights. I'd try to get some chickens and if the neighbors didn't like it they could STFU and have some eggs.

    We've got a largish yard and decent neighbors (even though they can be kind of persnickety). We might survive if nobody got really sick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    You know, I just don't buy into your apocalyptic vision. It's like saying in 1900, "What would happen if all the draft horses died?"

    The answer is, we'll transition to trucks and tractors. That was as incomprehensible in 1900 as our future is to you now.

    One thing that might happen is a resurgence of rail to move freight. It's much more fuel-efficient per ton than trucks are.
    That doesn't really work as an analogy. Trucks, tractors were new, and used a resource which was still abundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantive View Post
    That doesn't really work as an analogy. Trucks, tractors were new, and used a resource which was still abundant.
    It wasn't just abundant... it had never before been widely used as a motor fuel.

    And whatever we power cars, trucks, and tractors with after petroleum will also be new, and will also never have been widely used for transport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Because what you say is true, there would be diesel or a reasonable facsimile thereof. We have the raw materials, the technology, and the manpower to make it happen; it's just not economical to do so under the present market conditions.
    But even in two years, I highly doubt the economy could handle the astronomical increase in prices of pretty much every good available. Even if the use of the rail system increasea, trucks are a necessity to move the freight from ports and yards, and contrary to popular opinion, nome of those companies are going to operate for free. Put that on TOP of the increase in cost of production and it's a recipe for financial disaster.

    The question was what would we do NOW?
    Buy a bunch of oil and oil-related products to sell once we run out, obviously.

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    I would ride my bike to work instead of driving.
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