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  • Believer / Politically Right / AGW is not proved

    5 14.29%
  • Unbeliever / Politically Right / AGW is not proved

    2 5.71%
  • Believer / Politically Left / AGW is not proved

    2 5.71%
  • Unbeliever / Politically Left / AGW is not proved

    3 8.57%
  • Believer / Politically Right / AGW likely

    1 2.86%
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    5 14.29%
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    7 20.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I actually wrote a paper on it a while back focusing on the hurricane in brazil as the main object... not to mention oddly dry and wet seasons in farming regions (kinna like monsoons )- droughts, floods, some places getting colder and some warmer...

    interestingly, when you actually do research into cause and effect these can all be explained with the same cause given by the global warming people- only it's generally agreed in the field now (in the US anyways) that instability is more likely
    I supose one can conclude that not all odd weather behavior is a result of global warming. On a global scale what you mention is only local anyway. What 's more significant however is that the average temperature close to the earth surface has doubled over a relatively very short timespan (File:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    I supose one can conclude that not all odd weather behavior is a result of global warming. On a global scale what you mention is only local anyway. What 's more significant however is that the average temperature close to the earth surface has doubled over a relatively very short timespan (File:2000 Year Temperature Comparison.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
    You can't be serious. The temperature close to the surface of the Earth is nowhere close to 500F.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    I supose one can conclude that not all odd weather behavior is a result of global warming. On a global scale what you mention is only local anyway. What 's more significant however is that the average temperature close to the earth surface has doubled over a relatively very short timespan.
    So it went from, say, 70 degrees F to 140 degrees F? I must be in a cold spot!

    Calculate it in Kelvin degrees, and we're all burned up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    So it went from, say, 70 degrees F to 140 degrees F? I must be in a cold spot!

    Calculate it in Kelvin degrees, and we're all burned up.
    That's where I got 500F...
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    "Libertarians and Anarchists are Right, unless they are Anarcho-syndicalists."

    You can't lump people like this - and I'm not sure what scale you are using. Basically you would measure someone from Left to Right then Authoritarian to Libertarian. How do you figure all Anarchists and Libertarians are Right? You can be a Left leaning Libertarian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexx View Post
    "Libertarians and Anarchists are Right, unless they are Anarcho-syndicalists."

    You can't lump people like this - and I'm not sure what scale you are using. Basically you would measure someone from Left to Right then Authoritarian to Libertarian. How do you figure all Anarchists and Libertarians are Right? You can be a Left leaning Libertarian.
    They are on the economic right because they support strong property laws and are opposed to government power over the individual. While the traditional left, like Socialists and Communists support collective ownership of the means of production and use of government / state coercion to implement policy (though communists believe in the eventual abolition of the state, of course).

    It really is more helpful to view the left / right sprectrum in terms of economics and introduce another axis of authoritarian / collectivism vs. anarchist / individualism (representing for example social attitudes). On that scale, traditional left wingers and libertarians look fairly similar, since they are both social liberals to some degree, but their desired economic policy is very different, as well as their attitude towards government.

    So a simple left <> right axis does not accurately depict the political spectrum.

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    I still don't find it even remotely accurate to lump Anarchists and Libertarians in with the "Right".

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexx View Post
    I still don't find it even remotely accurate to lump Anarchists and Libertarians in with the "Right".
    You and r.a, aren't you self-described "Evil Right-Wing Fascists"??
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    NASA - 2009: Second Warmest Year on Record; End of Warmest Decade

    I wonder what the "AGW is not proved" people's response is to this.

    Quote Originally Posted by alexx View Post
    I still don't find it even remotely accurate to lump Anarchists and Libertarians in with the "Right".
    Why? Just because right-wing is often used a pejorative? So is left-wing, but I don't run away from the label. Political science and dichotomy, and the political alliance libertarians have with conservatives and the right at large (see: teabaggers) more so than with the left, shows where they lie.

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