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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Your thoughts?
    A different word choice would make plain what you are trying to contrast.

    "Centrist = Fe, Radical = Fi?" is indistinct.

    Your thread title should thus read:

    Centrist = Fe, Extremist = Fi

    That's a better word pair.

    Or - let's notch it up another:

    Conformist = Fe, Extremist = Fi - that's much more provocative.

    And for the record - I disagree with such generalizations. I don't see either tendency more predisposed to one preference or the other.


    But words are just a veil here - if you want a hale and hearty discussion, it would be best if you provided definitions for what you see as each, make clearer what you want to get out of this thread.
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    "When people see some things as beautiful,
    other things become ugly.
    When people see some things as good,
    other things become bad."
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    "Extremist," in my mind, is more judgmental than "radical." "Conformist" is also judgmental, and not necessarily as politically-oriented as "centrist."

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    Yes, but extremist is more politically-oriented than radical. Centrist / extremist go together better as a descriptive pair. The most provocative pair (imo): conformist / extremist.

    I am just playing with words on you here. What IS the nature of this thread?
    "Remember always that you not only have the right to be an individual, you have an obligation to be one."
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    A Tale of Four Americas (source)

    my take:

    extroversion=wants to emphasize communion and wants to support the wealth of communion for the sake of individuals, who benefit from social communion. (eventually it will protect potentially weak individuals from being required to have too much agent "autonomy").

    introversion=wants to emphasize agency's function as contributor to the wealth of a communion and wants to preserve the wealth of agency for the sake of individual power. (eventually it will protect individuals from merging too much with communion, ie from loss of privacy and loss of free creative choices).

    reality= communion can not exist without agency as without agency there is nothing that can be communed. agency can not exist without communion, as without communion there is no whole to differ from, thus no means of creating individuality.

    the above preferences (introversion, extroversion) apply to both judgement and perception. our preference (*version) for judgement may define our basic motivations (we would rather make personal effort to contribute to either communion or agency), but our perception must teach us, what kind of political approach/emphasis would work out best, generally, or what kind is most required in the current situation, and the preference (*version) of our perception will likely bias our view on the matter.

    therefore the political view of a person is not necessarily defined by the direction of his J. it's is up to the individual to chose a preference among his own two opposed preferences (J+P), in case democracy forces the individual to chose sides (one of two parties) which is sort of the root of all the nonconstructive fighting ...

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    I dont understand the abbreviations.

    I would say that one persons moderation is anothers extremism and conformity depends also upon perspective, one of my favourite socialist authors GDH Cole used to talk about "sensible extremism" during the war against fascism.

    Some of my political views are or would be considered very extreme but I also know that the world isnt perfect and wont ever be and is sometimes made terrible by the very pursuit of such, its more likely that there will only be people putting their values into practice in their daily lives.

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    OK, I'll go ahead and define what I mean -

    Centrist - while the political system may have problems, the mechanisms we have in place to deal with them are appropriate and acceptable. Desired change should come through the accepted channels, and by the accepted means. While there are some social problems I find deeply troubling, and want them very much to change, the instability caused by going outside the accepted boundaries would undermine any benefits brought upon by taking these efforts.

    Radical - society as a whole is deeply flawed, and the established authorities and procedures are not handling these flaws as needed. Those who try to enact change within the system find themselves subsumed by it, and eventually compromise the core of their beliefs and aims, becoming a part of the "system". Since the "system" partially exists to perpetuate itself, the necessary change must come from outside of it. What some see as "stability" is in fact exploitation through soft coercion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Thanks for the contribution. Next time, some substance would be nice, but it was a decent first effort.
    It makes sense in norwegian - it means: Wrong

    As for the question in the OP; I don't know, but I'm Fe, and pretty moderate in most political questions. I've got several friends with dominant Fi, and I must say that most of them are in the same political party as me. Except from a school friend, who is a socialist (in the real meaning of the word.) But that could be a coincidence, I know more people in my party than in other parties (and I don't socialize much with people who are far from me politically. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by syndatha View Post
    As for the question in the OP; I don't know, but I'm Fe, and pretty moderate in most political questions. I've got several friends with dominant Fi, and I must say that most of them are in the same political party as me. Except from a school friend, who is a socialist (in the real meaning of the word.) But that could be a coincidence, I know more people in my party than in other parties (and I don't socialize much with people who are far from me politically. )
    It's not about party politics per se, it's about a person's approach to them. You can have radicals/extremists on the left and right, much the same as you can have centrists in both camps.

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    In order for something to be radical, it has to be compared to something else (external). Yet, you're applying this to an introverted function. My conclusion: N/A.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    In order for something to be radical, it has to be compared to something else (external). Yet, you're applying this to an introverted function. My conclusion: N/A.
    You're right. Perhaps we should focus on Te then - is Te more inclined to take a radical approach than Fe?

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