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    Default Health Reform Summit

    Democrats: about 74 minutes
    Republicans: about 37 minutes

    This whole thing is just ridiculous.

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    They are going to use reconciliation next week reports are saying.

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    Not that it matters. There is no public or universal healthcare that the Republicans will support. The summit can never amount to anything.
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    You are right. Reform they will however.

    I thought this was now about reform and not a public option?

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    Do you guys think that one day the arguments over universal health care will seem like the arguments over universal adult sufferage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you guys think that one day the arguments over universal health care will seem like the arguments over universal adult sufferage?
    More like another nail in the coffin of socialism...

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexx View Post
    You are right. Reform they will however.

    I thought this was now about reform and not a public option?
    Reform is the opposite of what Obama and friends are pushing for.

    Main Entry: 1reform
    Pronunciation: \ri-?fo?rm\
    Function: verb
    Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French refurmer, from Latin reformare, from re- + formare to form, from forma form
    Date: 14th century

    transitive verb 1 a : to put or change into an improved form or condition b : to amend or improve by change of form or removal of faults or abuses
    2 : to put an end to (an evil) by enforcing or introducing a better method or course of action
    3 : to induce or cause to abandon evil ways <reform a drunkard>
    4 a : to subject (hydrocarbons) to cracking b : to produce (as gasoline or gas) by cracking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you guys think that one day the arguments over universal health care will seem like the arguments over universal adult sufferage?

    I hope not. I hope we can remember the difference between a right (I am for restoring voting to convicted felons upon their release) and an entitlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you guys think that one day the arguments over universal health care will seem like the arguments over universal adult sufferage?
    Where? In certain parts of the developed world, it practically already is. Will it be like that through all of the developed world and most of the developing world? Well, I'm not optimistic enough to think so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fecal McAngry View Post
    More like another nail in the coffin of socialism...
    The USA is the only developed country that doesn't have it, and plenty of developing countries have it, and it flourishes in most of the places its instituted, and people in countries that have it almost always like their nation's healthcare system more than people in countries that don't have it.

    What coffin?
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    I think that this summit was somewhat informative, but mostly another political donkey show. Obviously people are going to continue to cling to their preconceived, uninformed opinions about what the bill(s) address(es) but there's still time for them to reconcile some of the issues where there doesn't seem to be any common ground. Public option, for example, has practically been thrown out with the Depends. They avoid doing what the majority wants for fear of the loud, obnoxious minority and, because of the outspoken minority, we haven't even heard any kind of sensible debate on the issues.

    The public option has plenty of support outside of DC, which I didn't know until I actually started doing some research on it. About 2/3 of Democrats, 1/2 of Independents and 1/3(in most polls) of Republicans support a public option; granted, these pollsters aren't asking specific questions about it(how to pay for it, etc) but it's obvious that there's enough popular support for it to pass on a referendum vote(if that were an option). Talking points and personal agendas(ie, lobbying $$s) pretty much destroyed a chance at improving the system for the health care industry and the public.

    Lark makes a good point that could just as easily applied to a dozen issues in our country(homosexual rights, corporate welfare, abortion, etc, etc). Since when are higher expectations a bad thing? Would it make the right-wing happy if we went back to mule, buggy and wooden wheels? Couldn't they just start a neo-Amish colony in Wyoming and let the rest of work on improving the state of man?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you guys think that one day the arguments over universal health care will seem like the arguments over universal adult sufferage?
    I really hope they will.
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