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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It's not just about skilled labor directly providing economic value. It's about the rule of law, which allows individuals to pursue their interests (rather than living in fear). The lack of a rule of law in many third world countries is a major contributor to their lack of stability.
    That's a good point. Are we unique in this regard though? Is there no rule of law in India or China that allows individuals to pursue their interests? I honestly do not know (yea, typical American)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I'm not going to give you an exhaustive list of human activities. Stop trying to waste my time.
    Well, at least a few that wouldn't be made permanently obsolete by outsourcing and economies of scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander29 View Post
    That's a good point. Are we unique in this regard though? Is there no rule of law in India or China that allows individuals to pursue their interests? I honestly do not know (yea, typical American)
    Unique? I don't know, but India and China have different mechanisms to keep social order (like the caste system). However, India and China are not third world countries. When I think about third world countries, I think about places like Zimbabwe and Sudan, not China and India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    When I think about third world countries, I think about places like Zimbabwe and Sudan,
    you wouldnt just call them failed states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Well, at least a few that wouldn't be made permanently obsolete by outsourcing and economies of scale.
    Education, medicine, law, engineering
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    you wouldnt just call them failed states?
    When I read this post, the first thing that popped into my head was "Wtf, how is this relevant?"
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Education, medicine, law, engineering
    Not everyone can be a doctor or engineer, or everyone would be one, based on the high incomes afforded to these careers. Speaking as a current law student, do we really need more lawyers? Not everyone has the temperament to be a teacher, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    However, India and China are not third world countries. When I think about third world countries, I think about places like Zimbabwe and Sudan, not China and India.
    I believe China identifies itself as a Third World country, not sure about India. Nevertheless if we go by the original definition of "Third World", they both fall into that category.

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    A majority of people do not understand that human life is valued very differently across the globe. Let me clarify that. Human life means VERY LITTLE in many parts of the world, regardless a place being a third world nation or not.

    Few nations have a strong economy and an established system of civil rights. The U.S., U.K., Germany, France, etc. are top of the list as far as places I'd be happy to live in.

    Even if China and India continue to develop powerhouse economies, if you piss off the wrong people there, it is very easy for things to go very wrong for you, and very quickly. This is why I don't think either have the capacity to eclipse the U.S. in many ways. They will improve themselves greatly, but their societies, systems of governance, and geo-political situations are vastly different than ours. India has Pakistan as a neighbor. We have Canada and Mexico. The comparisons are apples and ornages on many levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Not everyone can be a doctor or engineer, or everyone would be one, based on the high incomes afforded to these careers. Speaking as a current law student, do we really need more lawyers? Not everyone has the temperament to be a teacher, either.
    I never said everyone could be. The fact that people with these skills exist in such great numbers in the US is one of the reasons it won't deteriorate into a third world country. They satisfy a basic need of a modern society.

    Every society has unskilled labor.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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