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    Obscenity is like the chicken pox. Best to get it out of the way early, I say.
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    Obscenely sexy

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    There is no fucking way that our culture is obscene.

    We are the biggest bunch of puritanical shitheads that ever walked the Earth.

    If we were anymore goddman pure, we'd shit rose petals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    There is no fucking way that our culture is obscene.

    We are the biggest bunch of puritanical shitheads that ever walked the Earth.

    If we were anymore goddman pure, we'd shit rose petals.

    Oh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    There is no fucking way that our culture is obscene.
    We are the biggest bunch of puritanical shitheads that ever walked the Earth.
    If we were anymore goddman pure, we'd shit rose petals.
    ... and this is true for the whole judeo-christian circle, Europe included. Heck, especially Europe. Fuck this hipocrisy. The last few years are one huge overcompensation for disobeying nature's laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    What culture are we talking about?
    I don't even think we're from the same country.
    It was a US book about the US, I tend to generalise those findings to the UK because no matter what the perceived differences the UK is pretty much a pale copy of the US, in particular the US "urban scene" or "celebrity culture".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It was a US book about the US, I tend to generalise those findings to the UK because no matter what the perceived differences the UK is pretty much a pale copy of the US, in particular the US "urban scene" or "celebrity culture".
    I think I might agree with that overall, although I think British tabloids far outshine American ones in their sleaze factor.

    To comment on Halla's post, I think the US has a Madonna/whore complex in terms of overall morality. We have a lot of dirt going around; at the same time, we have a pretty puritanical streak that's annoying to deal with, and from what I've heard from friends in Europe, they don't deal nearly as much with the latter.

    In the US, violence as entertainment is far more acceptable than sex.
    Sex is both touted AND criticized... as a typical "taboo" topic, it permeates everything even while it's slammed publicly and treated as unacceptable.

    Our country is also not very homogeneous nationally, although regionally things tend to become homogenized. Media permeates everything, however, so you'll have some subgroups taking very different stances on the very same items as other groups. You'll also have people who like "freer exchange of ideas/information" and aren't as bothered by sex but have a lot of pressure put on them socially to conform to more stringent mores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    To comment on Halla's post, I think the US has a Madonna/whore complex in terms of overall morality. We have a lot of dirt going around; at the same time, we have a pretty puritanical streak that's annoying to deal with, and from what I've heard from friends in Europe, they don't deal nearly as much with the latter.
    Definitely not as much. If this post were made about the UK, I'd think it would be more fitting. It's not so much the exposure to sexual concepts that I think is unhealthy, just the emphasis there's been in the last several decades on giving children at younger and younger ages aspirations to be 'cool', which usually means un-childlike in every way (a principle that could well have been copied from the US, just taken in different directions). Children having 'boyfriends' and 'girlfriends' that they take quite seriously emotionally from the age of ten or younger is absurd to me even or especially if they're not doing anything sexual, and I felt it was when I was that age too. I watch elements of the American media that most Britons don't see and my overall picture is of a culture about as different from ours as one Western democracy could be from another. Most people do feel it's terrible to make a small child wear things saying 'porn star' or things like that, but it doesn't come from believing sex before marriage is wrong except in rather few people. We're just alarmed at how commercial interests seem to be pressuring children to act sexually and generally more grown up than they are before they even know what it's about and also giving adults the means to make children appear more sexual (as in that example). But it's just one aspect of a wider problem, the attacks on children's sense that they can just relax and be themselves, that whatever that might be, it's okay. Instead they've got to feel that they're not good enough until they're portraying a particular image, which makes them more exploitable by companies selling that image to them.

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    At the same time how can we forget:

    It wasn't uncommon, even in the early part of this century, to get married at 14/15, have babies. The thought of that is obscene to me.

    Ancient/medieval man watched hangings, stonings, burnings, and crucifixions for entertainment

    Ancient man watched gladiators fight to the death for fun

    Bull fights



    I think where you might be coming from is that compared to the 50's and 60's, we are more obscene. Those were some of the mildest decades regarding manners and etiquette and sexual mores. The late 60's --> now has been increasingly cutting loose in our sexual expression which results in a swinging pendulum effect. To little expression in the 50's --> perhaps too much expression now, (?) which will then hopefully gravitage out eventually, and come back to a moderate center point. But I don't think we've seen the extreme yet from the pendulum.

    To make it more confusing, you have confounding subgroups that make it difficult to get a collective feel. Right wing conservative groups along with no-holds-barred incest monger libertarians.
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