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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    what????? I think you're seeing more similarity than is note worthy. Obviously political systems have things in common (the political system part ). But come on (in my best peter griffin voice). Nazism fed big business in ways the soviet hammer and sickle simply didnt. An islamic theocracy is like the z axis on an entirely different plain of existence. The hippy symbol: yes Pure, we are going to have a fascist state of hippy-ism ...
    Wow, you missed the point by about ten miles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I guess I just don't see the point in starting a thread to say "hey! There's some people that disagree with me on some stuff! Aren't they crazy?" and get responses that are basically like "Oh yeah! What nuts! They're totally bonkers!" I've just never been fond of the gather-a-group-of-stone-throwers tactic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I feel like the main gist of this post fits right in with the slew of over-generalized junk some of us have been complaining about.

    I didn't make this post to say that conservatism is stupid; I made it to point out that the moderately conservative base of the Republican party seems to be dissipating, as now approximately only 21% of the country self-identifies as Republican, an all time low.

    Sure, I also wanted to mock the crazy far-righters who believe Obama is a racist Muslim terrorist born in Saudi Arabia, but the point of this wasn't to take shots at conservatism in general--just to observe the decline in moderate membership in the Republican party and show the effects this has on the collective opinions of those who remain.

    But if it makes you feel better to assume I'm a tree-hugging Vegan Communist intent on slandering everyone anywhere near the conservative end of the political spectrum, knock yourselves out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I didn't make this post to say that conservatism is stupid; I made it to point out that the moderately conservative base of the Republican party seems to be dissipating, as now approximately only 21% of the country self-identifies as Republican, an all time low.
    Since a lot of the thread conversation is veering into overly generally invective, it's probably best to focus on this statistic (and those like it), as it's a concrete detail.

    Why is this happening? What's driving it?
    What's the significance?
    What's the potential end result(s)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Since a lot of the thread conversation is veering into overly generally invective, it's probably best to focus on this statistic (and those like it), as it's a concrete detail.

    Why is this happening? What's driving it?
    What's the significance?
    What's the potential end result(s)?
    So it's the main gist of the responses to the OP that are the problem, not the OP itself. I see.

    Anyway, what's driving this is the desire of moderate conservatives to dissociate themselves from the far rightist social views that have become characteristic of the Republican party since Carl Rove deliberately appealed to voters who support them as part Bush's campaigns for the '00 and '04 elections.

    The significance is one of the two major parties with serious political clout in this country has lower membership than it ever has before, which might threaten its very existence.

    The potential end result might be the death of the modern Republican party and its replacement with a more moderate conservative kind of party--or at least a total restructuring of its basic ideals while maintaining the same party name (this has happened plenty of times.) It seems like these days, moderate conservatives whose primary focus is on fiscal concerns and who don't really care for the religious right's social policy agenda don't really have anywhere to go--the Republican party, it seems, will be forced to either restructure some of its core values or lose significant power and influence, possibly resulting in some new party eclipsing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    I made it to point out that the moderately conservative base of the Republican party seems to be dissipating, as now approximately only 21% of the country self-identifies as Republican, an all time low.
    You just realized this?
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    This sure does explain why New Jersey and Virginia elected Democratic governors in November, and why Massachusetts elected a Democratic senator last month.

    Oh... wait... never mind.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueHeart View Post
    This sure does explain why New Jersey and Virginia elected Democratic governors in November, and why Massachusetts elected a Democratic senator last month.

    Oh... wait... never mind.....
    Those elections don't support your position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Those elections don't support your position.

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    What position? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    That doesn't answer the question that I asked you, but that article does definitely come from an elitist point of view that believes there's something wrong with populists dominating a political movement.
    Because populist political movements end up appealing to lowest common denominator.

    You end up with inanity like this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueHeart View Post
    This sure does explain why New Jersey and Virginia elected Democratic governors in November, and why Massachusetts elected a Democratic senator last month.
    That was more a backlash against the over-hype of Obama in 2008, resulting in his fall from grace a year later because he couldn't redeem mankind.

    Pendulum swings, dear.
    if it goes too far in one direction, it's going to swing back the other way.

    Even moderates got sick of the overhype.

    What is being discussed in this thread is longer-term movement.
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