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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    That's actually not what that poll asked.
    All right, change it to "complicit in" then, its still far more paranoid and retarded than the (admittedly retarded) "birther" movement.

    And in which universe is a respected polling company whose procedural veracity has been supported on numerous occasions less reliable than a Daily Kos poll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    All right, change it to "complicit in" then, its still far more paranoid and retarded than the (admittedly retarded) "birther" movement.

    And in which universe is a respected polling company whose procedural veracity has been supported on numerous occasions less reliable than a Daily Kos poll?
    "Complicit" still doesn't work. You can know about something, but not be directly involved or participating in it. And that's what complicit means.

    Bush did sit still and read "My Pet Goat" for 8 minutes after he "first" heard about it. So you can see where some of the questioning comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    "Complicit" still doesn't work. You can know about something, but not be directly involved or participating in it. And that's what complicit means.
    You're wrong:

    Complicity Law & Legal Definition

    Even in terms of common usage, it is generally understood that the word "complicit" (as opposed to "conspiring") is appropriate in this context.

    As for reading that book for eight minutes, most people would assume that to be a combination of shock, the need to wait for further information to come forth, and a commendable desire not to traumatize and/or disappoint the children in the classroom. The same people who would think that reading the book to schoolchildren for ten minutes is somehow indicative of complicity would probably also choose to interpret a failure to do so as indicative of callousness toward schoolchildren.

    Incidentally, your attempt to dance around and divert attention from my overall point is transparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    You're wrong:

    Complicity Law & Legal Definition

    Even in terms of common usage, it is generally understood that the word "complicit" (as opposed to "conspiring") is appropriate in this context.

    As for reading that book for eight minutes, most people would assume that to be a combination of shock, the need to wait for further information to come forth, and a commendable desire not to traumatize and/or disappoint the children in the classroom. The same people who would think that reading the book to schoolchildren for ten minutes is somehow indicative of complicity would probably also choose to interpret a failure to do so as indicative of callousness toward schoolchildren.

    Incidentally, your attempt to dance around and divert attention from my overall point is transparent.
    Well they did get the "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S." memo. And that's just what we know about.

    How specific would the pre-knowledge have to be about the attack for it to count as "them knowing it would/could happen"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Well they did get the "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S." memo. And that's just what we know about.

    How specific would the pre-knowledge have to be about the attack for it to count as "them knowing it would/could happen"?
    Something beyond a generalized "this dude who has attacked us before really really wants to attack us again in some fashion" would be a good start. Actually knowing that they were targeting the WTC with airplanes would be even better, which is clearly what that question implied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Something beyond a generalized "this dude who has attacked us before really really wants to attack us again in some fashion" would be a good start. Actually knowing that they were targeting the WTC with airplanes would be even better, which is clearly what that question implied.
    I think most reasonable people would be open to the possibility that the Bush administration was somehow involved. It wouldn't be the first time a leader used this method to instill fear in his own people. What is unreasonable is to think that this couldn't happen in the US, that the US is somehow different than all of the other nations in human history, especially given the Bush family history (Prescott was a war profiteer, in bed with the Nazis).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I think most reasonable people would be open to the possibility that the Bush administration was somehow involved.
    Just like the "birthers" are open to the possibility that Obama somehow faked his birth certificate, despite all evidence and common sense to the contrary?

    Reasonable people do not translate being theoretically open to an outlandish but not entirely inconceivable possibility with being either somewhat certain or "unsure" whether or not Bush was complicit in 9/11 or whether Obama faked his birth certificate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ubiquitous1 View Post
    42% of the research participants are from the South, do you think that may have contributed to some of the findings?
    And yet they used to be Democrats in the South.
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    I think its polls like those that give America its stereotype in Europe of being stupid.
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    I am not even sure where I was born (I was too young at the time )how am I supposed to know where Obama or anyone else for that matter is born? Except for principles of following the Constitution I otherwise personally don't care where a baby was born just as long as some foreign leader (someone who hasn't shared the "American Experience") doesn't also become the highest executive.

    Understand people most polls today are usually written in such a way as to get a predetermined response/distortion. It is all too common and a sad state of affairs where both the 'liberals' as well as the 'conservatives' in the mass media tend to be appealing to the the LCD when it comes to journalism.

    This seems to be an fact that could simply be confirmed by just checking for his birth certificate unless there is reliable evidence of official record tampering.
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