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    Default Pregnancy in the Military

    I haven't started anything in a while so I'll touch on this.

    Army discharging single mom who refused deployment - Yahoo! News


    Should women be forced to take birth control in the military?

    How do we handle someone who makes a commitment and then backs out based on a voluntary choice to have children.

    If you are in favor of a parent staying home while in the military would it be ok for the military dad to stay home while the mom served?

    I feel bad for her but many woman join the military to find a guy, get pregnant, and then act like they should get a free hall-pass of a discharge.

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    No one should ever be forced to take birth control.

    That shit is awful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    I haven't started anything in a while so I'll touch on this.

    Army discharging single mom who refused deployment - Yahoo! News
    I don't know what this article has to do with pregnancy in the military.

    Should women be forced to take birth control in the military?
    No, but if a woman gets pregnant and it disrupts her ability to serve, too bad for her. Being in the military is not the same as having a civilian job. When you join, you are voluntarily giving up some of your freedom.

    How do we handle someone who makes a commitment and then backs out based on a voluntary choice to have children.
    When you join the military, you give up your freedom to choose. If you can't handle the commitment, don't join the military.

    If you are in favor of a parent staying home while in the military would it be ok for the military dad to stay home while the mom served?
    Sure, why not? But if both potential parents could be deployed, there should be serious penalties if they have a child (like dishonorable discharge).

    I feel bad for her but many woman join the military to find a guy, get pregnant, and then act like they should get a free hall-pass of a discharge.
    Is this actually true? That's a real problem if it is.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    No one should ever be forced to take birth control.

    That shit is awful.
    If taking birth control is understood as a condition for voluntary military service, then it isn't forced. If one supports women in the military and in combat (and I do), then this is the only practical way to make that a reality. That said, for purely pragmatic reasons, some compromises might be in order; to preserve families with military inclinations, female soldiers who have already served through their first enlistment period and are married should probably be excluded from the policy while not serving in a war zone. In the event that both parents are military, then whichever one is deemed less beneficial to a war effort should stay home.

    Of course, if birth control simply fails, the women should not be punished.

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    Women use pregnancy to get out of deployments and training fairly often. I see it first hand. They don't come out and say it, but it's usually pretty obvious when it happens. Women should be no exception. They signed the papers to fulfill their duty; if a concious decision to have a child is going to compromise that, they're wrong. I'm not saying a woman shouldn't have children while serving (that's a little too extreme) but pregnancy right on the verge of deployments shouldn't happen. Plan around it. Already moms should make arrangements to have their child properly cared for while on deployments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    No one should ever be forced to take birth control.

    That shit is awful.
    If they don't and get pregnant, they'll be thrown in jail. It's now illegal to get pregnant while on active duty.

    Think Progress


    I think the woman in the OP should have had to get foster care for her child. Not that I'm a fan of foster care at all but I am a fan of fairness and other single parents in the same situation had to do this. I'm not sure why this woman was so different.

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    I dont think anyone should be compelled to use birth control but there should be clear expectations and consistent limits in their work contracts, if you're pregnant or raising children and you cant meet with the expectations you originally agreed to I dont know why you should expect your employers to take care of you, its a job at the end of the day.

    That goes for men or women, if the US army is anything like the UK there are a lot of people who use the armed forces like a second family or home, lots of people without much of a clue about how to live independently or with poor self-reliance or from broken homes gravitate towards it but its not supposed to be a paternalistic service like care homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    If they don't, they'll be thrown in jail. It's now illegal to get pregnant while on active duty.

    Think Progress


    I think the woman in the OP should have had to get foster care for her child. Not that I'm a fan of foster care at all but I am a fan of fairness and other single parents in the same situation had to do this. I'm not sure why this woman was so different.

    And what if an enemy rapes them ? (seriously)

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