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    Default Global government: Yes or No ?

    What do you guys think about this idea ?
    When it will be possible to create a first official global government ?


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    It's not such a simple question. Arguably we have one now (the UN). For Catholics, they have the Holy See, in a sense.

    What specifics, to you, would define an official global government?

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    When all the world's people submit to the same group of power elites?

    There is too much benefit for the elites to gain with the world cut up as it is. The old military strategy of "divide and conquer" holds true.

    The recent financial industry bailout is a great example. The elite insiders blew up the housing market bubble for years, step by step all under the radar. The people were happy, as more people than ever before were able to buy houses, etc. The economy was in a state of prosperity, or so it seemed.

    Who made the most money during those years? The elites. Ehy? Because they knew the overall trend that the market was going, and how to obtain cheap and risk free money to make their end of the deal all the sweeter.

    Then, when the whole thing goes bust, who foots the bill? The little guy. The American taxpayer. All the foreign investors (government and individuals alike) holding CDEs got bailed out. They didn't lose. The CEOs of the banking and insurance giants that helped cause that disaster in large part got their bonuses and their firms were bailed out, except for a few (that's what happens when you don't donate enough to the regime's prior campaign!).

    The governments of the world had a blank check to "inject liquidity" (aka cash out their elite buddies) in the name of stabilizing world finance markets.

    A similar scenario exists via globalization. Standing corporations of existing superpowers (Bechtel, ADM, GE, etc.) have first dibs on building the infrastructure of third world countries that become the new pawns in the vicious cycle of disaster capitalism. Foreign direct investment has far more to do with giving already rich insiders a ground floor opportunity to rake in high profits on an on-going basis on a new playing field, than it ever has had to do with giving the people of less prosperous nations a better life via a more industrialized country to live in.

    Finally, there is no way in hell that there would ever be some high council of Americans, Chinese, Indians, South Americans, Japanes, Europeans, and other world leaders that would agree to share power over a unified world. Hell, none of these leaders want anyone else to have anything to do with their regime whatsoever. You can't expect that 50 alpha dog politicians would agree to share power in any useful capacity. That just seems terribly unrealistic to me.

    End of wall of text.

    P.S. I hope it never happens. Big Brother, mark of the beast, etc., bad news for all citizens world wide in many capacities. There is freedom in inefficiency, and redundancy is sometimes useful, and not always bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaunward View Post
    It's not such a simple question. Arguably we have one now (the UN). For Catholics, they have the Holy See, in a sense.

    What specifics, to you, would define an official global government?

    I know that it is not that simple. However I don't see the point in making a wall of text that no one will want to read. Especially since I want to discuss the topic instead of making a point.


    Well for me the global government would basicly be UN with extended powers/influence.
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    Our current governments would not exit in their current form.
    The entire world would be a under a mix capitalism and socialism.
    This would probably mean global currency as well.




    What I am asking actually s what are the odds that a global government would be more efficient from what we currently have.

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    Horrible idea. Logistically speaking, extremely difficult, if not, impossible to accomplish.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Could be the UN if it actually had a military.

    I don't think we will have one until we have an external, common enemy that requires such cohesion.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Could be the UN if it actually had a military.
    If that happened, it would be U.N. politicians, and the U.S.A. military, a bad deal for our soldiers. I don't like that idea, worse than NATO, nothing against you Jock.

    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I don't think we will have one until we have an external, common enemy that requires such cohesion.
    ALIENS!!! :horor:
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    Yeah I don't see it happening in the current political climate, ever. Under that system, every "UN" nation would dissolve their own militaries in favor of the new one, but I can never see countries giving away their sovereignty like that. Unless we find the aliens



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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    Unless we find the aliens
    That's right!

    Or develop realistic looking UFOs, androids, and mesmerizing weaponry to trick the populace into thinking aliens had arrived.

    It will be hard to top the inside job that was 9/11, but the alien conspiracy could do it, hands down.
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    I see further trading blocs forming and converging. Citizens (labour resources), would be more mobile and easier get shifted around where they can. This would reduce potential costs for corporate activities. Citizens may enjoy the benefit of being able to more easily travel and be connected with their neighboring countries. Cultural xenophobia would delay this, so I could see a big political/corporate effort to push for cultural diversity. It would make the transition easier in a pseudo-democratic system.

    Probably the biggest change we'll experience in our generation though? I'd say the anonymity and access of the internet will come to an end (or be much more limited). I can't see the internet being so unlike tv cable packages for much longer. I suppose this is the net neutrality thing a lot of web users are discussing often.

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