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    Institutional racism is caused by the "powers that be" to keep the common people down. Even alleged attempts to cure racism are actually intended to cause more racism.

    Its a divide and conquer strategy
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    Chinese are 'subspecies' claims Morrissey - Telegraph

    Famously a Vegan, the singer who once penned the song Meat Is Murder, said: "Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific.

    "You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies."
    What the hell, Morrissey. What the hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Chinese are 'subspecies' claims Morrissey - Telegraph



    What the hell, Morrissey. What the hell.
    This is not the first time he's said or done something ethnically insensitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCat View Post
    Racism is pointless it seems. It's illogical and useless, and serves no real purpose. If someone that isn't your race is an asshole to you, then it's because they are an asshole. It's not that their skin is a certain color. God people are so stupid.
    It doesn't matter if it has a point, the fact it is that we are all prejudiced, despite any intention to be or not to be.

    To some extent it makes sense that we all do this (shortcuts in thinking are necessary, because if we thought everything through we'd never be able to autopilot past what we deem unimportant and focus on what we deem important).

    I'm no expert on the subject, but I think the key here is continual reexamination and openness to being proven wrong. I had prejudices about what an American Southern Baptist church would be like, but two weeks ago I slept in and missed the bus for the liberal church I wanted to go to, so I went to a Southern Baptist church down the street. As it happens, it lived up to the stereotype, but what will that be like in 10 years when Americans become more socially liberal? What would it have been like if the pastor was a leader for change within his denomination?

    Is there such thing as an essentialist quality to a large collective in the first place? I think we're fooling ourselves if we believe this.

    We're all racist because we're all human with prejudices and shortcuts in our thinking. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense, it just is. And dealing with this racism becomes the focus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Chinese are 'subspecies' claims Morrissey - Telegraph



    What the hell, Morrissey. What the hell.

    Would you consider it racist to hold certain cultures in contempt (i.e. separate from race)?

    For example, I think it is accurate to say that as a general rule, there is a difference between how a native Chinese behaves, and how a Chinese-American (i.e. ethnic Chinese born and raised in America) behaves.
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    I've studied this is some detail and also compared it with sexism, sectarianism and social class, I'll admit to only really having direct experience of sectarianism, either directed at me or in a generalised fashion, ie hearing others say sectarian things when they feel the consensus in the group will permit it. Although racism is similar in the odd occasions that I've witnessed it or experienced it.

    The thing about it is that I feel racism and anti-racism have played in a funny fashion, underdog identities can do and are positively invited to and encouraged to promote themselves and profile themselves, talk about themselves almost exclusively in terms of whatever the identity is, this isnt just the case to do with race but since we're talking about race.

    So then you get people who arent racist who are afraid to say anything which could be construed as racist, you also get people who're willing to exploit that, I remember TV shows before the whole war on terror issue existed of ethnic minority communities in the UK in which kids from pakistani or ethnically muslim communities positively made fun of white peoples fears of being accused of being racist.

    They didnt feel afraid to think in terms of race and certainly had no feelings of inferiority, subordination, exclusion, instead they saw it as a positive label, providing a sense of self and an "other" they could unite around hating or picking on (it was kids involved after all and one of them talked about a group of them getting on a bus and beating a lone white kid who had got on and sat in the upper level not knowing that they had decided no whites should do so).

    Now, I have heard the argument that that is a matter of racialism rather than racism because racism is racialism plus power, however, I think power is context specific, to the lone individual who gets beaten or victimised because of their race they dont care if structurally or culturally society operates in their favour. So I think its a matter of semantics.

    I've also studied Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey and some of those elements and how the race idea has influenced them and their followers, in some bizarre ways I think that their initial drives for independence and independent development have resulted in dependency in practice or different kinds of racism.

    When I was at university in Dublin there was a guy on the course who was black African, the nation he was from he said had a class structure among people of the same race, he said there where indigenous, the descendents of the one time Americans who had attempted to resettle the country in a back to their roots fashion and people he described as "the tribe" who he described as pretty much doing their own thing living of the land, ignoring everyone else. He was an interesting guy and pretty much said that there was black-on-black colonialism operating there and each group has status conscious contra the others, he didnt hold out any hope of defeating racism and just thought it was one of those things.

    I also think the race debate has historically been in some ways a black and white thing, it doesnt really consider too much things such as the "yellow peril", ie there was once a great deal of anti-asian racism in the UK and US, I'm not just talking about the ideas in the movie Bad Day At Blackrock, hope I got the title right of that Spencer Tracy movie but the fact that for so long white guys had to play asians in movies, that Bruce Lee couldnt have acted in Kung Fu despite it being his idea and starring a supposed eastern asian character. The English fought opium wars and had a long history of interference away beyond control of India and Hong Kong.

    Then there's the issue of racism within non-white or non-black communities, plenty of people disagree and its fine if they do but I think that Zionism can and is frequently tinged with a kind of race consciousness and ethno-nationalism, the histories of Japan and China have been racialist in a sense of being insular and in some ways ethno-nationalist in the past, the whole of the boxer rebellion was about attacking or expelling foreign devils or white devils, some of that propaganda lingers.

    I know friends of mine from the states have told me that some of the most violently racist battles are fought between latino, chinese or black gangs which are totally unphased by accusations of racism.

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    I think race is used as a shortcut... a handy calling-card, if you will... to substitute for what are really culture clashes and, especially, class wars.

    I carry with me the baggage of my class and culture... but I don't think I'm consciously racist. In fact I know a number of non-Caucasians whom I openly admire, as they're just outright better people than I am. Hard to maintain an attitude of racial superiority in the face of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    I think race is used as a shortcut... a handy calling-card, if you will... to substitute for what are really culture clashes and, especially, class wars.

    I carry with me the baggage of my class and culture... but I don't think I'm consciously racist. In fact I know a number of non-Caucasians whom I openly admire, as they're just outright better people than I am. Hard to maintain an attitude of racial superiority in the face of that.
    Some of my best friends are...

    I agree with you that it is culture and class, although I think that it doesnt prevent cultural and class clashes within a single racially idenitifiable group either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Some of my best friends are...
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    What? Irish?
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